NEW DOOM is dope, new Saigon isnt...plus some other joints im spinning

Shyne · 03-23-2009, 06:14 PM

whats good people, thought I would drop in for a quick post discussing some new albums.

first up is this

*DOOMS new album is a banger, he rips every track with an energy and hunger I havnt heard since his Zev days. Production is crazy as well, with beats from Dilla, Jake One, Madlib, and DOOM himself you just cant go wrong. Only things holding this back...

1. a Raekwon track with no DOOM, I was kinda dissapointed by that, although honestly hearing Rae over a DOOM beat makes me smile, illness.

2. No new Ghost features, sure DOOM spruced up Angelz with some new drums and a new verse, but damn, no new Ghost? not looking good for an album between the two.

3. Re-used Dilla beats, I gotta agree with ATI on this, its getting VERY old hearing dudes re-use the same DILLA beats, its a shame the unreleased shit went to Illa J, dude cant rap to save his life.

4. lastly, no Kurious verse! he's credited on the track but all he does is talk at the very end! huge letdown.

Overall though this is easily the best album of 09 so far. 8/10

* Probably my biggest let down in years, very very average album. The production from the normally fantastic Statik Selektah feels very bland and rushed, so many sped up vocal samples are used that by the half way point it all start to melt together in to one big mess. Sai himself does his thing for the most part, but he stumbles through his lines a handful of times and never takes the time to correct it, you can tell it was rushed. Overall there is a few ok tracks, but for a 10 track album that just isnt enough, def skip it. 6/10

* Kurious has a new album coming out (tommorow maybe?) and I thought I would revisit this lost gem. released the same year as Nas's Illmatic and Big L's Lifestylez it was overlooked by most everyone, and while not as good as Illmatic, it def surpasses L's album and many other albums that dropped the same year. the production is handled by the Beatnut, Pete Nice and more and has a very light hearted, fun feel about it, def a feel good vibe to just have fun to. K himself rocks the mic with many different flows and styles, bouncing around to many different subjects and having a great time the whole way, he compliments the production perfectly with his choice of subject matter and flows and shows why he's one of the most slept on mc's of all time, not to mentioned he birthed such classics as "Walk like a Duck" and "Spell is with a J", def one of the most overlooked artist and albums of the 90's. Overall 9/10

p.s. tired of typing so im going to add this...

is actually my favorite Tribe album, even more so then their first two.

LadyValentine · 03-23-2009, 06:45 PM

How in the hell isn't Sai's albums dope?...Seletah's production>>>>_______

Sai is flipping more flows and stories than hes ever done

Threyev · 03-23-2009, 06:49 PM

I was also underwhelmed by Saigon's album, but really thought DOOM's new stuff was ass. Saigon is pretty bad at dropping love songs, and he has two or three. Honestly, I thought the bonus track was the hottest. As far as DOOM, I kinda got tired of him by the end of the album, especially when it has the 300+ years old Angels (why not used Chinatown Wars?). I'll peep that Kurious drop too--good looks on posting this.

Shyne · 03-23-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyValentine

How in the hell isn't Sai's albums dope?...Seletah's production>>>>_______

Sai is flipping more flows and stories than hes ever done

nah it was very average. Maybe is cause ive been following both artist for such a long time I just expect more, but they both did pretty half assed on this, Statik especially, his beats were so uninspired it was almost like listening to another artist. Sai himself was cool, as I said, but again he's not doing anything new and his wording got very sloppy at times, im hoping he's saving the good stuff for his real album though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by khoop07

I was also underwhelmed by Saigon's album, but really thought DOOM's new stuff was ass. Saigon is pretty bad at dropping love songs, and he has two or three. Honestly, I thought the bonus track was the hottest. As far as DOOM, I kinda got tired of him by the end of the album, especially when it has the 300+ years old Angels (why not used Chinatown Wars?). I'll peep that Kurious drop too--good looks on posting this.

That DOOM album is def going to be hate it or love it, if you can put up with the old shit then its a gem, but honestly there isnt any excuse for the type of lazyness he's shown by re-using so much shit here, no defense for that. Especially since its been like 4 years since his last drop? what the hell has he been doing? lord knows its not performing his own shows.

Threyev · 03-23-2009, 07:30 PM

Lol I don't know what he's been up to. Even when he does go to his shows, he just chills in front of the mic and has his voice get eaten by the beats.

Shyne · 03-23-2009, 08:10 PM

word, its a shame too, that live album he put out proved he can put on a dope show, dude is just mad lazy lol.

YoungGunna · 03-23-2009, 08:13 PM

prolly sounds sloppy cuz he did da album in a day lol....but yee it wasnt his best shyt

A.T.I. · 03-23-2009, 09:13 PM

How could an album recorded in one day be one of your biggest dissapointment in years? It was above-average, but were you really expecting a lot more?

Shyne · 03-23-2009, 09:26 PM

I was expecting MUCH more, note that the album was recorded in 24 hours, not written and produced, no excuse for how half assed the overall product was, SS must not have been paid for his beats cause he gave Sai all his throw-away ones. Also as it was said before he just isnt talented when it comes to love songs yet he tries multiple times on this shit, nothing about this album lived up to the quality that either of these artist are capable of.

A.T.I. · 03-23-2009, 09:29 PM

Statik already threw out way too many albums in the last year or two with very solid production, Sai settled for the scraps, surprising, considering he's supposed to have an album filled with beats from the likes of Blaze and 'Ye :/

Shyne · 03-23-2009, 09:30 PM

how was SS second album btw? I never checked it, I assumed that with how fast he put it out it wasnt going to be as good lol

A.T.I. · 03-23-2009, 09:32 PM

It was pretty solid, several standout cuts, of course there were a handful of third-rate-Premo attempts that he likes to throw on everything, but I enjoyed it for the most part. Nothing amazing, but a 3.5, I'd say, worth a listen.

Shyne · 03-23-2009, 09:35 PM

might pick it up sometime soon then. I loved his first album.

Threyev · 03-24-2009, 03:33 PM

I was just glad to hear new Saigon, and knew in advance that it wasn't gonna be like his old shit. It was the first thing he'd dropped since Believe It, I think, which was like two years ago.

Just_Blaze · 03-24-2009, 09:26 PM

I don't think people that have Saigon >>> alll in their sig's opinions should matter but I didn't read it anyway.

I was skipping the sai for other reasons... but you just solidified it for me thanks shyne.

YoungGunna · 03-24-2009, 09:44 PM

it kinda does sound like he wrote it all in a day...but wait for dat warning shots 2, should be something alot more satisfying for saigiddy fans since we aint neva gonna hear da album

KING BHOB · 03-25-2009, 09:40 PM

but yet hes gonna release another album with Statik he did in a day.....which makes me think....he really didnt do the first album in a day.....which then,when i heard of that news...made me rethink how the album sounded and i agree with Shyne....need that OG Warning Shots Yardfather Sai back NOWWWWW

HURRICANEGAME · 03-25-2009, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.T.I.

It was pretty solid, several standout cuts, of course there were a handful of third-rate-Premo attempts that he likes to throw on everything, but I enjoyed it for the most part. Nothing amazing, but a 3.5, I'd say, worth a listen.

Yup, in summary this is exactly right, I'd give it a 7 aswell. It's not even close to Spell My Name Right but a good effort and worth a listen.

Anyway, here was what I said about the DOOM album in the other thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by HURRICANEGAME

Re-listened to it today, It's still kinda dissapointing, but it's a good album.

Gazzilian Ear
Ballskin
Yessir!
Absolutely (Best Doom only track)
Angelz (Best track overall, the new drums added to an already great song)
Lightworks
Batty Boyz
Angelz
More Rhymin’
That’s That
Thank Yah

All good shit, the rest were either forgettable or awful. I was surprised with the Slug feature, I laughed @ the autotune

Heard it two more times since I posted that and I stand by my opinion, dissapointing but good.

On the Statik/Saigiddy album I think it's a great effort having been put together "in a day" but I'd much rather hear one where they would actually invest time in making it a more cohesive album, it was all over the place. Also, the production ranged from average to good and a couple great beats, expected a little better from Statik...

Huss · 03-26-2009, 01:10 AM

Cellz was pretty damn dope

Blizzy · 04-03-2009, 08:24 AM

The trouble with Saigon is beats. He doesn't suit slow beats and his new mixtape has like 6 or 7 slow beats. On tracks like 'I Warned You' and 'Spit' he does a good job. I need another Warnin Shots or Return of the Yardfather.

scool · 04-04-2009, 08:54 AM

the problem i had with the production on Saigon's album was: No Hooks

just some high pitched sample all the time..

"go to war" was dope tho

ILLogic · 04-04-2009, 02:30 PM

Won't even comment on the DOOM part of the post, but I will on that Kurious shit. First of all, dope record, we can agree on that. However, its no way in hell better than L's classic and honestly it never should've even been compared to it, shame on a ******. Oh and btw, L's debut dropped in '95, not in '94 with Illmatic and ACM.

Shyne · 04-04-2009, 03:57 PM

hmm, you may be right, maybe it was Ready to Die that dropped in 94, eh i'll look in to it later, probably just switched em in my mind

ILLogic · 04-04-2009, 07:10 PM

^ Of course RTD dropped in '94. No need to look nothin' up. Keep up with your hip-hop knowledge whiteboy. It's good though, you still get props for givin' ACM praise, but not better than Lifestylez, get AIDS for that comment.

03-23-2009, 06:14 PM	#1
Shyne Sons Of Liberty Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,552 Repped: 3 Repped 2,054 Times in 849 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 151 Times in 95 Posts	NEW DOOM is dope, new Saigon isnt...plus some other joints im spinning NEW DOOM is dope, new Saigon isnt...plus some other joints im spinning whats good people, thought I would drop in for a quick post discussing some new albums. first up is this DOOMS new album is a banger, he rips every track with an energy and hunger I havnt heard since his Zev days. Production is crazy as well, with beats from Dilla, Jake One, Madlib, and DOOM himself you just cant go wrong. Only things holding this back... 1. a Raekwon track with no DOOM, I was kinda dissapointed by that, although honestly hearing Rae over a DOOM beat makes me smile, illness. 2. No new Ghost features, sure DOOM spruced up Angelz with some new drums and a new verse, but damn, no new Ghost? not looking good for an album between the two. 3. Re-used Dilla beats, I gotta agree with ATI on this, its getting VERY old hearing dudes re-use the same DILLA beats, its a shame the unreleased shit went to Illa J, dude cant rap to save his life. 4. lastly, no Kurious verse! he's credited on the track but all he does is talk at the very end! huge letdown. Overall though this is easily the best album of 09 so far. 8/10 Probably my biggest let down in years, very very average album. The production from the normally fantastic Statik Selektah feels very bland and rushed, so many sped up vocal samples are used that by the half way point it all start to melt together in to one big mess. Sai himself does his thing for the most part, but he stumbles through his lines a handful of times and never takes the time to correct it, you can tell it was rushed. Overall there is a few ok tracks, but for a 10 track album that just isnt enough, def skip it. 6/10 * Kurious has a new album coming out (tommorow maybe?) and I thought I would revisit this lost gem. released the same year as Nas's Illmatic and Big L's Lifestylez it was overlooked by most everyone, and while not as good as Illmatic, it def surpasses L's album and many other albums that dropped the same year. the production is handled by the Beatnut, Pete Nice and more and has a very light hearted, fun feel about it, def a feel good vibe to just have fun to. K himself rocks the mic with many different flows and styles, bouncing around to many different subjects and having a great time the whole way, he compliments the production perfectly with his choice of subject matter and flows and shows why he's one of the most slept on mc's of all time, not to mentioned he birthed such classics as "Walk like a Duck" and "Spell is with a J", def one of the most overlooked artist and albums of the 90's. Overall 9/10 p.s. tired of typing so im going to add this... is actually my favorite Tribe album, even more so then their first two. __________________ myspace.com/vocabthemc http://coldglassofoj.blogspot.com Last edited by Shyne; 03-23-2009 at 08:19 PM.

03-23-2009, 06:45 PM	#2
LadyValentine Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Throw A TV At You Crazy Posts: 3,948 Repped: 82 Repped 1,918 Times in 381 Posts Neg Reps: 1 Neg Repped at 36 Times in 31 Posts	How in the hell isn't Sai's albums dope?...Seletah's production>>>>_______ Sai is flipping more flows and stories than hes ever done __________________ Why In The Hell Would You Let Your Fingers Type Such Absurdity? - Me

03-23-2009, 08:10 PM	#6
Shyne Sons Of Liberty Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,552 Repped: 3 Repped 2,054 Times in 849 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 151 Times in 95 Posts	word, its a shame too, that live album he put out proved he can put on a dope show, dude is just mad lazy lol. __________________ myspace.com/vocabthemc http://coldglassofoj.blogspot.com

03-23-2009, 08:13 PM	#7
YoungGunna Young Gunna Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: T Dot Posts: 11,079 Repped: 348 Repped 128 Times in 87 Posts Neg Reps: 33 Neg Repped at 7 Times in 7 Posts	prolly sounds sloppy cuz he did da album in a day lol....but yee it wasnt his best shyt __________________

03-23-2009, 09:13 PM	#8
A.T.I. Agitating the Ignorant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 7,600 Repped: 1,376 Repped 2,040 Times in 718 Posts Neg Reps: 155 Neg Repped at 162 Times in 129 Posts	How could an album recorded in one day be one of your biggest dissapointment in years? It was above-average, but were you really expecting a lot more? __________________ “At a snail's pace, I won this race that y'all trail"

03-23-2009, 06:49 PM	#3
Threyev Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Bronx Posts: 553 Repped: 82 Repped 46 Times in 29 Posts Neg Reps: 3 Neg Repped at 5 Times in 5 Posts	I was also underwhelmed by Saigon's album, but really thought DOOM's new stuff was ass. Saigon is pretty bad at dropping love songs, and he has two or three. Honestly, I thought the bonus track was the hottest. As far as DOOM, I kinda got tired of him by the end of the album, especially when it has the 300+ years old Angels (why not used Chinatown Wars?). I'll peep that Kurious drop too--good looks on posting this.

03-23-2009, 07:30 PM	#5
Threyev Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Bronx Posts: 553 Repped: 82 Repped 46 Times in 29 Posts Neg Reps: 3 Neg Repped at 5 Times in 5 Posts	Lol I don't know what he's been up to. Even when he does go to his shows, he just chills in front of the mic and has his voice get eaten by the beats.

03-23-2009, 09:26 PM	#9
Shyne Sons Of Liberty Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,552 Repped: 3 Repped 2,054 Times in 849 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 151 Times in 95 Posts	I was expecting MUCH more, note that the album was recorded in 24 hours, not written and produced, no excuse for how half assed the overall product was, SS must not have been paid for his beats cause he gave Sai all his throw-away ones. Also as it was said before he just isnt talented when it comes to love songs yet he tries multiple times on this shit, nothing about this album lived up to the quality that either of these artist are capable of. __________________ myspace.com/vocabthemc http://coldglassofoj.blogspot.com

03-23-2009, 09:29 PM	#10
A.T.I. Agitating the Ignorant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 7,600 Repped: 1,376 Repped 2,040 Times in 718 Posts Neg Reps: 155 Neg Repped at 162 Times in 129 Posts	Statik already threw out way too many albums in the last year or two with very solid production, Sai settled for the scraps, surprising, considering he's supposed to have an album filled with beats from the likes of Blaze and 'Ye :/ __________________ “At a snail's pace, I won this race that y'all trail"

03-23-2009, 09:30 PM	#11
Shyne Sons Of Liberty Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,552 Repped: 3 Repped 2,054 Times in 849 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 151 Times in 95 Posts	how was SS second album btw? I never checked it, I assumed that with how fast he put it out it wasnt going to be as good lol __________________ myspace.com/vocabthemc http://coldglassofoj.blogspot.com

03-23-2009, 09:32 PM	#12
A.T.I. Agitating the Ignorant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 7,600 Repped: 1,376 Repped 2,040 Times in 718 Posts Neg Reps: 155 Neg Repped at 162 Times in 129 Posts	It was pretty solid, several standout cuts, of course there were a handful of third-rate-Premo attempts that he likes to throw on everything, but I enjoyed it for the most part. Nothing amazing, but a 3.5, I'd say, worth a listen. __________________ “At a snail's pace, I won this race that y'all trail"

03-23-2009, 09:35 PM	#13
Shyne Sons Of Liberty Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,552 Repped: 3 Repped 2,054 Times in 849 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 151 Times in 95 Posts	might pick it up sometime soon then. I loved his first album. __________________ myspace.com/vocabthemc http://coldglassofoj.blogspot.com

03-24-2009, 03:33 PM	#14
Threyev Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Bronx Posts: 553 Repped: 82 Repped 46 Times in 29 Posts Neg Reps: 3 Neg Repped at 5 Times in 5 Posts	I was just glad to hear new Saigon, and knew in advance that it wasn't gonna be like his old shit. It was the first thing he'd dropped since Believe It, I think, which was like two years ago.

03-24-2009, 09:26 PM	#15
Just_Blaze Thread Jacker Numero Uno! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nu Jers.. It's that on top muzik! Posts: 3,641 Repped: 131 Repped 146 Times in 103 Posts Neg Reps: 11 Neg Repped at 4 Times in 4 Posts	I don't think people that have Saigon >>> alll in their sig's opinions should matter but I didn't read it anyway. I was skipping the sai for other reasons... but you just solidified it for me thanks shyne. __________________ "tell blaze to stop it wit the embarassing posts.....he's making everything die" - Grandmaster G

03-24-2009, 09:44 PM	#16
YoungGunna Young Gunna Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: T Dot Posts: 11,079 Repped: 348 Repped 128 Times in 87 Posts Neg Reps: 33 Neg Repped at 7 Times in 7 Posts	it kinda does sound like he wrote it all in a day...but wait for dat warning shots 2, should be something alot more satisfying for saigiddy fans since we aint neva gonna hear da album __________________

03-25-2009, 09:40 PM	#17
KING BHOB P.O.L.O/Attention:Deficit Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: East Side Pennsylvania Posts: 2,189 Repped: 0 Repped 590 Times in 201 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 25 Times in 20 Posts	but yet hes gonna release another album with Statik he did in a day.....which makes me think....he really didnt do the first album in a day.....which then,when i heard of that news...made me rethink how the album sounded and i agree with Shyne....need that OG Warning Shots Yardfather Sai back NOWWWWW __________________ >\|>\|>\|> http://twitter.com/KingBhob <\|<\|<\|< >>>>>>>LIFE

03-26-2009, 01:10 AM	#19
Huss Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 223 Repped: 12 Repped 4 Times in 3 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cellz was pretty damn dope

04-03-2009, 08:24 AM	#20
Blizzy Wordsmith Join Date: May 2008 Location: In Battlefield's Posts: 3,359 Repped: 687 Repped 345 Times in 158 Posts Neg Reps: 25 Neg Repped at 26 Times in 25 Posts	The trouble with Saigon is beats. He doesn't suit slow beats and his new mixtape has like 6 or 7 slow beats. On tracks like 'I Warned You' and 'Spit' he does a good job. I need another Warnin Shots or Return of the Yardfather. __________________ MY MUSIC CHECK IT OUT myspace.com/ttpbloodshot

04-04-2009, 08:54 AM	#21
scool Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: DA CHAT SEXHUN THRONE MAFUCCA.. DEEBO WUDDUP?? Posts: 20,134 Repped: 1,328 Repped 2,389 Times in 867 Posts Neg Reps: 267 Neg Repped at 488 Times in 326 Posts	the problem i had with the production on Saigon's album was: No Hooks just some high pitched sample all the time.. "go to war" was dope tho

04-04-2009, 02:30 PM	#22
ILLogic Pharaoh in Ghetto Apparel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In God's Head Posts: 3,384 Repped: 13 Repped 129 Times in 74 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Won't even comment on the DOOM part of the post, but I will on that Kurious shit. First of all, dope record, we can agree on that. However, its no way in hell better than L's classic and honestly it never should've even been compared to it, shame on a ******. Oh and btw, L's debut dropped in '95, not in '94 with Illmatic and ACM. __________________ Recognized Thresholds of Negative Stress "Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left" - Ras Kass

04-04-2009, 03:57 PM	#23
Shyne Sons Of Liberty Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,552 Repped: 3 Repped 2,054 Times in 849 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 151 Times in 95 Posts	hmm, you may be right, maybe it was Ready to Die that dropped in 94, eh i'll look in to it later, probably just switched em in my mind __________________ myspace.com/vocabthemc http://coldglassofoj.blogspot.com

04-04-2009, 07:10 PM	#24
ILLogic Pharaoh in Ghetto Apparel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In God's Head Posts: 3,384 Repped: 13 Repped 129 Times in 74 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	^ Of course RTD dropped in '94. No need to look nothin' up. Keep up with your hip-hop knowledge whiteboy. It's good though, you still get props for givin' ACM praise, but not better than Lifestylez, get AIDS for that comment. __________________ Recognized Thresholds of Negative Stress "Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left" - Ras Kass

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