Cage or Ill Bill?

HURRICANEGAME · 02-17-2009, 06:58 AM

**Make your decision based on SOLO work only, as 'The Future Is Now' is a classic, and even though I.B. is prevalent on the album, it doesn't make it an Ill BIll solo project, factoring that in alone would make the thread easily one sided.**

VS.

Two New York bred MC's that are very different and very similar in certain aspects.

I thought this would be a good comparison seeing as they've put out about the same amount of official solo releases, with 2 albums credited to Ill Bill & Cage has 2 albums to his name aswell as an EP.

Both of their content is edgy, which can put off most people right from the start, Cage raps about cuttin people up, orgies, drugs, etc. but does so in a way that is for the most part entertaining.

Ill Bill on the other hand chooses to tackle some of the same subjects but is moreso inclined to talking about political issues, gangs, & religion.

They both have a good ear for beats, although I slightly like Ill Bill's production over Cage's, that just comes down to personal preference I guess.

Their both great at executing concept tracks, for example from Cage you have gems like Among The Sleep (Best described as a fucked up version of eLZhi's 'Talking In My Sleep'), Agent Orange (Where he plays Alex of 'A Clockwork Orange' in his own mind), A Suicidal Failure, Subtle Art Of A Breakup Song (executed perfectly), etc. among others.

Ill BIll's got tracks like The Anatomy of a School Shooting (incredible), Chasing The Dragon, Too Young, U.B.S. (Unauthorized Biography of Slayer, which, I read up a little on Slayer and everything he said was on point), etc. and others.

At first I was leaning towards Ill Bill, but I revisted 'Hell's Winter' tonight and it's argueably a classic, and might shift my vote to undecided, factoring in the EP maybe even slight it for Cage...esspecially since these Cage tracks have leaked, 'Depart From Me' is one of my most anticipated albums of the year.

Leave it.

**Couldn't embed the youtube vids, some1 tell me how b

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MC Stinger · 02-17-2009, 07:18 AM

I bought Cage's tape, opened it, and dubbed over it

Shyne · 02-17-2009, 11:36 AM

If you would have asked me in 07 I would have given it to Cage easily off of HW alone, but after Bills last album man, fucking amazing, instant classic. Taking in to account that Bill has one amazing solo album, one good album and one amazing group album (the Green album was dope as well, more of a compilation then album though), vs Cage's One really amazing album, one good album, and 2 good group albums...I would say its pretty close, but Bill just owns it with HOR

Rebel INS {CF} · 02-17-2009, 12:50 PM

Bills solos and Cages first are all amazin albums, but Hells Winter ? ... LOL ! Why does this farce continue ?! That album is just really not for me obviously ...

ILL BILL !

Threyev · 02-17-2009, 01:16 PM

I'm going Ill Bill also. Hell's Winter was a great listen, but it wasn't the same Cage from the Em feud, and "In Stoney Lodge" and Leak Bros. Ill Bill has stayed nasty his entire career, and The Hour of Reprisal is one of my all-time favorite albums.

As a side note, it looks like Depart From Me will be Cage's worst album yet. That single Jux is pushing....

Shyne · 02-17-2009, 01:18 PM

anyone ever seen this cover? guess the wax and cd had slightly different covers

1.2.3 · 02-17-2009, 03:52 PM

anyone wanna provide a link for the new Bill?

BrooklynZ Finest · 02-17-2009, 04:21 PM

i voted for cage... but both of them got some fuckin classic material...

Dimebag Darrell · 02-17-2009, 06:30 PM

i personally like some of ill bills concept and story tracks overall more than cage's and although i like cage a lot, i give it to ill bill

Grandmaster G · 02-18-2009, 01:54 AM

neither....but if i had to chooose

ill bill cause he's right......society is brainwashed

Deep South Kid · 02-18-2009, 01:58 AM

Cage....He got El-P's beats.

Threyev · 02-18-2009, 01:58 AM

Listened to Hell's Winter again today. Shit is fucking classic. "Subtle Art of the Break-Up Song" is so sick. Then I listened to "Leak Bros..." Thinking maybe I shoulda voted for Kennylz. Both are sick as fuck though.

A.T.I. · 02-18-2009, 02:21 AM

Cage, 'cause Grandmaster didn't pick him -_-

Grandmaster G · 02-18-2009, 02:44 AM

^boy, ur an amatuer....stay off the set foo

A.T.I. · 02-18-2009, 02:46 AM

I thought the OC was cancelled, quit trolling, G

Grandmaster G · 02-18-2009, 03:07 AM

what's OC? only OC i ever heard of was 'you lack the minerals and vitamins....'

KING BHOB · 02-22-2009, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc stinger

i bought cage's tape, opened it, and dubbed over it

lollllllllll

Rollo · 02-22-2009, 07:48 AM

If you're only counting solo material, I don't really care for post movies for the blind Cage, I also don't care for Hour of Reprisal.

Hell's winter and beyond cage is too emo, Ill Bill's flow on Hour of Reprisal got to be boring.

The production/music on that album is fuckin class, but his raps just... wore out with me. Guest spots certainly didn't do shit to help either. I like B-real but the cliche gangsta wanna be "Let's reach the 14 year old kids trying to thug" type shit just blah.....

I like What's wrong with Bill, but I like Movies for the blind more.

View Poll Results: Which do you prefer?
Cage	3	30.00%
Ill Bill	7	70.00%
Undecided	0	0%
Voters: 10. You may not vote on this poll

02-17-2009, 06:58 AM	#1
HURRICANEGAME THA MUTHA****IN' BOSS Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: TX Posts: 365 Repped: 23 Repped 91 Times in 44 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cage or Ill Bill? Cage or Ill Bill? Make your decision based on SOLO work only, as 'The Future Is Now' is a classic, and even though I.B. is prevalent on the album, it doesn't make it an Ill BIll solo project, factoring that in alone would make the thread easily one sided. VS. Two New York bred MC's that are very different and very similar in certain aspects. I thought this would be a good comparison seeing as they've put out about the same amount of official solo releases, with 2 albums credited to Ill Bill & Cage has 2 albums to his name aswell as an EP. Both of their content is edgy, which can put off most people right from the start, Cage raps about cuttin people up, orgies, drugs, etc. but does so in a way that is for the most part entertaining. Ill Bill on the other hand chooses to tackle some of the same subjects but is moreso inclined to talking about political issues, gangs, & religion. They both have a good ear for beats, although I slightly like Ill Bill's production over Cage's, that just comes down to personal preference I guess. Their both great at executing concept tracks, for example from Cage you have gems like Among The Sleep (Best described as a fucked up version of eLZhi's 'Talking In My Sleep'), Agent Orange (Where he plays Alex of 'A Clockwork Orange' in his own mind), A Suicidal Failure, Subtle Art Of A Breakup Song (executed perfectly), etc. among others. Ill BIll's got tracks like The Anatomy of a School Shooting (incredible), Chasing The Dragon, Too Young, U.B.S. (Unauthorized Biography of Slayer, which, I read up a little on Slayer and everything he said was on point), etc. and others. At first I was leaning towards Ill Bill, but I revisted 'Hell's Winter' tonight and it's argueably a classic, and might shift my vote to undecided, factoring in the EP maybe even slight it for Cage...esspecially since these Cage tracks have leaked, 'Depart From Me' is one of my most anticipated albums of the year. Leave it. Couldn't embed the youtube vids, some1 tell me how b

02-17-2009, 11:36 AM	#3
Shyne Sons Of Liberty Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,552 Repped: 3 Repped 2,054 Times in 849 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 151 Times in 95 Posts	If you would have asked me in 07 I would have given it to Cage easily off of HW alone, but after Bills last album man, fucking amazing, instant classic. Taking in to account that Bill has one amazing solo album, one good album and one amazing group album (the Green album was dope as well, more of a compilation then album though), vs Cage's One really amazing album, one good album, and 2 good group albums...I would say its pretty close, but Bill just owns it with HOR __________________ myspace.com/vocabthemc http://coldglassofoj.blogspot.com Last edited by Shyne; 02-17-2009 at 01:11 PM.

02-17-2009, 12:50 PM	#4
Rebel INS {CF} - iLLuminati ~ Rapsody - Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 11,453 Repped: 151 Repped 644 Times in 301 Posts Neg Reps: 1 Neg Repped at 77 Times in 69 Posts	Bills solos and Cages first are all amazin albums, but Hells Winter ? ... LOL ! Why does this farce continue ?! That album is just really not for me obviously ... ILL BILL ! __________________ "Fighting Ignorance every day is gettin weary" [name pending] --- The Gateway Drug --- Sometime Soon --- myspace.com/namepending08

02-17-2009, 01:18 PM	#6
Shyne Sons Of Liberty Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 5,552 Repped: 3 Repped 2,054 Times in 849 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 151 Times in 95 Posts	anyone ever seen this cover? guess the wax and cd had slightly different covers __________________ myspace.com/vocabthemc http://coldglassofoj.blogspot.com

02-17-2009, 07:18 AM	#2
MC Stinger Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Somewhere Posts: 36 Repped: 0 Repped 2 Times in 2 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 1 Time in 1 Post	I bought Cage's tape, opened it, and dubbed over it

02-17-2009, 01:16 PM	#5
Threyev Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Bronx Posts: 553 Repped: 82 Repped 46 Times in 29 Posts Neg Reps: 3 Neg Repped at 5 Times in 5 Posts	I'm going Ill Bill also. Hell's Winter was a great listen, but it wasn't the same Cage from the Em feud, and "In Stoney Lodge" and Leak Bros. Ill Bill has stayed nasty his entire career, and The Hour of Reprisal is one of my all-time favorite albums. As a side note, it looks like Depart From Me will be Cage's worst album yet. That single Jux is pushing....

02-17-2009, 03:52 PM	#7
1.2.3 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: new york Posts: 1,388 Repped: 166 Repped 40 Times in 19 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	anyone wanna provide a link for the new Bill?

02-17-2009, 04:21 PM	#8
BrooklynZ Finest Brownsville Slugger Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brownsville, Brooklyn Posts: 3,106 Repped: 313 Repped 533 Times in 298 Posts Neg Reps: 6 Neg Repped at 13 Times in 8 Posts	i voted for cage... but both of them got some fuckin classic material... __________________ Killarmy and M.O.P to the mo´fucking death!

02-17-2009, 06:30 PM	#9
Dimebag Darrell Rebel Without A Pause Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New York Posts: 3,294 Repped: 1,201 Repped 491 Times in 302 Posts Neg Reps: 123 Neg Repped at 94 Times in 71 Posts	i personally like some of ill bills concept and story tracks overall more than cage's and although i like cage a lot, i give it to ill bill __________________ I got a Molotov cocktail with a match to go , I smoke my cigarette with style

02-18-2009, 01:54 AM	#10
Grandmaster G Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: . Posts: 8,274 Repped: 1 Repped 105 Times in 69 Posts Neg Reps: 4 Neg Repped at 9 Times in 7 Posts	neither....but if i had to chooose ill bill cause he's right......society is brainwashed

02-18-2009, 01:58 AM	#11
Deep South Kid UnderGround UnderPressure Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mexico City Posts: 6,176 Repped: 17 Repped 446 Times in 138 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cage....He got El-P's beats. __________________ guess whos back up in the building, mind on a million...

02-18-2009, 02:21 AM	#13
A.T.I. Agitating the Ignorant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 7,593 Repped: 1,371 Repped 2,037 Times in 716 Posts Neg Reps: 155 Neg Repped at 160 Times in 129 Posts	Cage, 'cause Grandmaster didn't pick him -_- __________________ “At a snail's pace, I won this race that y'all trail"

02-18-2009, 02:44 AM	#14
Grandmaster G Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: . Posts: 8,274 Repped: 1 Repped 105 Times in 69 Posts Neg Reps: 4 Neg Repped at 9 Times in 7 Posts	^boy, ur an amatuer....stay off the set foo

02-18-2009, 02:46 AM	#15
A.T.I. Agitating the Ignorant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 7,593 Repped: 1,371 Repped 2,037 Times in 716 Posts Neg Reps: 155 Neg Repped at 160 Times in 129 Posts	I thought the OC was cancelled, quit trolling, G __________________ “At a snail's pace, I won this race that y'all trail"

02-18-2009, 03:07 AM	#16
Grandmaster G Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: . Posts: 8,274 Repped: 1 Repped 105 Times in 69 Posts Neg Reps: 4 Neg Repped at 9 Times in 7 Posts	what's OC? only OC i ever heard of was 'you lack the minerals and vitamins....'

02-22-2009, 07:48 AM	#18
Rollo Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: OH Posts: 34 Repped: 0 Repped 1 Time in 1 Post Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 5 Times in 1 Post	If you're only counting solo material, I don't really care for post movies for the blind Cage, I also don't care for Hour of Reprisal. Hell's winter and beyond cage is too emo, Ill Bill's flow on Hour of Reprisal got to be boring. The production/music on that album is fuckin class, but his raps just... wore out with me. Guest spots certainly didn't do shit to help either. I like B-real but the cliche gangsta wanna be "Let's reach the 14 year old kids trying to thug" type shit just blah..... I like What's wrong with Bill, but I like Movies for the blind more.

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