Originally Posted by A.T.I.

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Actually, it's a completely idiotic prediction, seeing as the biggest artists in rap music don't even go multi-plat these days, and seeing as how the commercial market doesn't give a shit about the Wu, they are going to flop, and flop bad...so that shit is worse than Game saying he's going to sell a mill first week...only a true Wu dickrider would say such a moronic thing

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Wow, it's a shame you can't understand a simple post, because your whole sales doesn't equal quality shit is predictable, but worse, has nothing to do with what I said. See, if both the underground and the mainstream liked 50 Cent and Puff, then your argument would make sense, and actually be relevant to what I said, but because that's far from the case, it doesn't.



err, no, I just wasn't going to take into consideration your opinion on Finding Forever, not only because it's vague and unclever, but because you're a faggot who pretty much had his mind made up about the album before you heard it....but now that you mention it, putting Vinnie Paz over Mos Def and putting Cam'Ron over Jay-Z lessens the validity of your hip-hop knowledge more than anything else you can say in this thread




yes, because I'm munching on water as I type

put down the Black Panther poster, and pick up a dictionary, the phrase would be 'munch out on curry' in the context you tried and failed to use it in

Originally Posted by A.T.I.

you know, I would have thought you understood the fact that when you try and insult another person's intelligence, making blatant errors in phrasing and grammar sort of makes you look like a complete jack-ass...but then again, you're special, and no, not in a good way




umm, no, it doesn't take an elitist to know that Cam'Ron is gay and whack (see in this case, the vagueness doesn't hurt, because this is a widely accepted notion), not to mention the fact that you really have no clue what I listen to, so I'm going to assume you're just basing that off my sigs or something....and Wu can't go plat, much less multi-plat...old Wu fans might still be waiting on this (I doubt even that much is true), but you don't sell records when the mainstream doesn't know you're dropping, when you don't have an official single, never mind a video, and also, when the only people talking about the Wu are 30-something year olds blogger who used to think bumpin the Wu at their Ivy League colleges was the thing to do...sorry, it has nothing to do with this album's quality, but it is just completely sad that you have no understanding of how the music market works




umm, no, seeing as me calling you that had nothing to do with a judgement in music, so please, no more irrelevant quotations.....if you had said you expected this album to be really good, THEN that would be valid



Yes, and Nas has a boring flow and talks about pyramids...let's save the vague descriptions for a more boring thread




Again, here's you trying to guess who I listen to, and failing miserably. First off, I pretty much bump anything and everything when it comes to good rap music... the fact that I don't think JMT's fake-gangster shit is RAW AS FUCK or that Cam isn't gay, or that Sean P's random quips that go nowhere are utterly amazing doesn't mean that I dislike everything that isn't backpacker or whatever it is that you're trying to imply...if that were true, I wouldn't be listenting to Jay-Z or Nas would I? Much less hold them as two of my favorite artists....not to mention giving spins to rappers of all sub-genres, whether it be Hasan Salaam to Eminem to Canibus to Kanye West to 50 Cent, etc. I hate Aes and MF Doom right along with everyone else, just because I like Comm/Mos/Talib doesn't mean I've ascended backback rap to some unreachable level



So basically, Mos has two classic albums, both miles ahead of anything Paz has done or will ever do as an emcee, but because Mos' weaker shit is worse (not to mention less abundant and more) than Paz', that makes Paz better? Illogic indeed, it's too bad Paz has nothing close to classic soely as an emcee, and has built a career riding the coattails of a legendary producer...Mos' contract-influenced shit has been weak, but the fact of the matter is, his best work is timeless and legendary, and his skill-set during his prime is one of the best seen....compared to a guy who supposedly has 1 lyrically 'good' album under his belt





So basically you feel cooler bumping Girls, Girls, Girls, or computer putin' records in the whip? Smoooooth. Again, your whole frame of argument makes no sense, because if I didn't like street shit, why would I bring up Jay-Z in the first place, forget having RD as my fav. album, and AZ and Kool G as some of my fav. artists

It again comes down to an artist with classic material, and several very good albums in his career, against a guy who's worst shit is miles below Hov's, and best shit with COTC is dubious at best, and really only gets praised for his company, as well as due to the extreme fall-off....the same thing happens with other really whack emcees, like 50 cent or Lloyd Banks




err, right, I'ma stick with that's not really possible unless you're eating something with it

Originally Posted by Grandmaster G

if CF can see this post, how much did u get soul on ice for?

Originally Posted by A.T.I.

It's relevant when you're dissing my intelligence, yet do so in a sentence that barely makes sense gramatically. The irony just flew past you, I guess.

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I say: underground fans and commercial fans alike felt the album

you: I guess that means 50>>INS

yeah, real relevant, like I said, your point made no sense because I clearly wasn't talking about commercial appeal over quality, or anything close to that, so clearly, you need to step your comprehension game up

here's what I'm going to do....I'm going to make a comparison

1) An album that gets mad respect from the mainstream and underground scenes, while being succesful in the market, and well-recieved with critics

2)An album that sells a lot, and is terrible

NOT THE SAME

That doesn't make it fact, it makes your opinion of it, which is already biased, even less worth stating, because you're just spitting out the first vague description of it that pops in your head

I guess Sean P's album was gay and boring, and nobody else thinks so, but that's the way it is just cause



You seem to think that the market hasn't changed in the last 10 years, so let me brake it down for you....there have been 3 platinum rap albums this year...all three artists are each one of the biggest in music today, have had smash hits over the past 2 years, have everybody in the industry talking about them, and are the superstars of rap...hell, even Jay-Z is going to struggle to go plat...hell, he's prolly gunna stall at 800k. So to say that a group with 0 promo, no succesful single, no commercial buzz, no radio play, and more negative than positive buzz around the album from the members themselves has a chance in hell of going plat simply because they've done it before is idiotic and is talk reserved for the stans of stans...not to mention that the only Ghost song that got any play was what? Oh yeah, a Ne-Yo duet. As far as acclaim, it might get some considering the stanship that hip-hop critics have for artists like Jay, Nas, and the Wu, but really it will be undeserved even if it comes their way.




Your quote was irrelevant because I called you a dickrider for making a propostrous statement about their sales...your quote would have been valid if I had actually dissed you for thinking the album was good, only because you would have a good argument for thinking that, as they have a great track record...but again, that wasn't the case, because I wasn't talking about your judgement on their music...As for Mos, I already said his recent shit was whack, so how am I hating on your opinion for that one? So, again, your quote was completely irrelevant...I was just thinking that your homo love for Vincenzo and Jus Blasphemy makes you biased to the point where it's not even about talent...I'm not about to call Ye a better emcee than Mos simply because all his albums shit on Mos' recent work, that just doesn't make sense...it wouldn't take an elitist to prove that that was a terrible opinion





How do I like one style if I like a variety of rappers? Again, you make no sense...you say I like only alternative rappers, that I don't like street rappers, but now it's I only like rappers that other people think are dope...which one is it, make up your mind...it's not a wild coincidence that the rappers I like get mad acclaim....I like rappers who put out great albums, and if you asked any other member here to list their favorite artists, I can guarantee that 9/10 of their fav. artits will have several albums that have been very well recieved in numerous ways, so this whole 'u only like __________ rappers' is not workin' out too well for ya





So basically, because I'm not like you, and have an artist that everyone hates for the most part that I swear is good, I'm whack? Your argument is pointless because not only do 99/100 rappers have some sort of following in various spheres, I've been into artists like Hasan Salaam, Napolean, Kanye West, Classified, Nas, k-os, etc. before I ever spoke to anyone about their music, or had any idea of how they were recieved in the midst of the rap game

I really couldn't care less about my peers opinion if I dnt like something...if that were that case, I wouldn't go around spweing statements against the likes of Sean Price, Soul on Ice, 36 Chambers, Life After Death, Nocturnal, etc.

Any artist worth mentioning is going to be considered dope by some people, so it's not even worth debating if liking unknown, or un-acclaimed artists makes someone's taste superior

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Umm, actually it does matter that Mos has more classic shit than Paz does, because that's basically where your going to base their talent off of, seeing as Mos and Paz have been EXTREMELY wack on their recent projects, so it's not even worth comparing Paz' gay fake gangster dick gargling raps with Mos' sleep enducing, 'I'm really out there' bullshit...both whack, we get it




Umm, I wouldn't go far as to say VBD was timeless, not only because I don't think it's anything special personally, but generally VBD isn't even noticed as timeless by anyone other than select underground fans, but whatever, I guess you meant timeless to you as an album.

So again, if it's Mos' best shit vs. Paz', it's really no contest lyrically, flow-wise, or anything else you wanna compare...comparing the rest is merely personal preference over what you'd wanna hear LESS, not what's better out of two good things

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So basically, that was a sum up of what exactly? I'm assuming the latter half of Cam's career versus what TWO of Jay-Z's weakest singles? Yea, because bumpin Suck It or Not is a lot less gay than playin 99 Problems or Dirt off Your Shoulder

*sarcasm


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The fact that you would even bring up Jay's recent shit in a comparison against Cam is dumber move than MOP signing to G-Unit...I guess you just skipped over Killa Season, Purple Haze, and the rest of the clown rap that your boy Cam's been cluttering the market with

Minority Report and Beach Chair>>The latter half of Cam's career

American Gangster>>>any Cam album, with ease





So again, I don't like some unknown street rapper, so that means I inferred something along of the lines 'fuck gangster rap'

No, stop getting confused, I may not like Cam's bullshit, but I have no problem with street raps when they're done well, which is probably why Cam and Jim Jones have a poster of RD under their single bed

Originally Posted by A.T.I.

err, riiight, says the guy who based his whole argument on something I never said, and then proceeded to post quotes from rappers even when they weren't at all relevant



Umm yes, because your whole 'Common rhymes about the sunshine and is gay' argument was clearly so thorough, that my arguments clearly needed the same level of excellent description that you provided...please, because I don't have the same opinions as you do, I must not have heard the albums? Come on, that's probably the weakest and most non-sensical argument you could have possibly brought up





Again, I already stated my point on this...I said that because the album was liked by commercial fans and underground fans, the opinion of one person, who is already a Comm hater, and hates on 99% of shit in general, in thoroughly useless to me, because it means nothing...especially since you didn't actually make any serious reference to the album, so I guess under your logic, you must not have heard the album, right?


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again, you make no sense, because I was talking about YOUR opinion, not in general....you go around posting in random common threads posting 'Comm is WHACK!!11', so I'm not going to take your opinion on his album seriously, as you're already a certified Comm hater..




Again, I never implied that people can't dislike an album that most others do like. I am simply stating that in this case, you not liking it is not important, for reasons I have already stated...and it's funny how you think you're not an elitist for liking Cam'Ron, lmao




In this case, the general opinion is completely relevant, depending on how you're viewing the term 'timeless'. I connect impact and importance with that term, so clearly how the album affected hip-hop is important, thus the need to consider the overall consensus. You might see 'timeless' as just an album that is classic for years and years soely to you




Well you are wrong, and if the Wu go plat, I'll mail you a copy of Ace's shit, or some other album you figure to be rare




Again, you seem to factor in their worst material more than their actual good material....Mos has two classics, both better than Vinnie's best shit, and then two albums which are also better than Paz' worst shit, simply because lyrically, both are lazy, but Paz flow is complete ass, and thus he's even whacker...but hey, like I said, maybe you like that whack raw shit more than whack 'conscious shit', that really in no way averages out to Paz being better than Mos....KILL Da FaGGot PaZ...u Ni**ER!11...woops...*hides behind Sean P



Umm yea, like I already said, if you ask any other member here for a list of their fav. artists, it's a fact that someone else here (more like most of the people here) will say that they also like those same emcees...but then again, everyone here's just dickriding consensual opinons, right? Oh wait, no, that's not it, it's that I've never heard a hip-hop album before...I just post here for the sake of posting, and I really like heavy metal music, cause hip-hop is whack and is killing society

*sarcasm




Again, that is completely wrong, and you're just generalizing what you think I comment on, based off my sigs or some stupid shit like that. Sure, I'll post more often in a thread about Comm or Kweli, or the Roots, 'cause they are some of my fav. acts, but I just as often post regarding the Wu, and all of their members, have posted reviews and threads for artists like Hasan Salaam, Silent Knight, KRS-One, Vakill, Sway, etc. so really your argument is completely invalid...I might be more inclined to post about, or listen to a conscious artist, but to say that those are the only rappers I listen to is a false assumption and nothing more...not to mention that your last comment is also false, since I think Big L is dope...again, your basing your whole shit off me thinking that Cam is a faggot clown rapper, and nowhere near clever



Actually, no, it was whack, and I heard it several times due to some faggot in chat pleading to me that it was good...sadly, it wasn't, the beats were decent, but repetitive, and some songs were good lyrically, but most were random whack jibberish that I've come to expect from the clown of hip-hop. Again, you come with some shit about me not hearing it simply because I don't have the same opinion as you do...weak as fuck




Again, you seem to think that if I don't like some unknown street album, that I simply don't like street hip-hop at all, which makes no sense. So I like street albums that most people also like? What's the problem with that? That's because a lot of the street albums that are recommended to me are older albums that are well-liked. That's not to say that I'm not open to a street rapper who I've never heard of, because that's not the case.



First of all, I never said P was whack, I simply said I thought he was overrated....I think I've heard JPS several times on about 7 different occasions just because I wanted to make sure I wasn't simply overlooking it or not paying enough attention....P has clever quips, but really it seems he just throws rhymes together for the sake of putting rhymes together a lot of the time, regardless of if it actually fits cohesively as a song...not to mention the weakish production he gets...I tend to like more solidly 'structured' shit I guess



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SOI has great lyrics, but the beats have always turned me off it, even the first time I heard it, when I pretty much had no idea who Rassy was...I'm sure you can find reviews that say negative things about the production, and that's because it was thoroughly horrible..hence even Rassy fans coming down on it...I never said that that's why the raps were weak...I said that the album is boring to me because of that, and because the production was horrible, I don't consider the album as classic





Well yea, I do think it's overrated, not whack or anything close to that, so I don't see how 'I killed myself' on that one, seeing as I think all the best Wu solo's are better than 36 Chambers, and that it's nowhere near one of the best albums I've ever heard, so while it's great, it's overrated to me based off seeing people call it the best album ever, which is propostrous to me






You might want to have a scope of how an album has been recieved before spitting that stupid shit. Nocturnal did have good reviews, I remember AMG giving it like a 4-4.5, and the album got several similar scores, so unless I'm biting my opinions off the Source or some shit, then I guess you're wrong. Not to mention that both Cam albums I hate got good reviews on AMG, so so much for that theory.



right, if you're actually going to come up with a theory, you might want to check if there's actually a correlation between my opinions or AMG or critics in general, because SOI, 36 Chambers, both Sean Price albums, etc. were all recieved as classic/excellent across the board

Originally Posted by mEatwaD

dam.... these arguements are a lot more intellectual and longer than the 1s in the chat section

o btw, how are you going to argue over things like that when ati obviously likes conscience rap more than street and illogic likes street rap more than conscience



Edit: on topic to the thread, nice buy on that LB cd

Originally Posted by Montana Diary

This is nothing. You think this is long? You shoulda seen when A.T.I. and me went at it. Whew!

Originally Posted by ILLogic

^ I thought the argument was going somewhere, I was mistaken. Doesn't matter though.

Now, back to the point of the thread...

I copped it...I'm selling for 80 bucks.