supragtx

on the tour in the yankee stadium 4 the press confrense for cotto/paquaio




lol shit was great

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heat27

yea i saw it on the boxing forum and was about 2 post it but u little shithead had to just beat me to it

i was goin to go to that press conf. but i had to work that day :(
arum shitted on MMA
he right tho most of the people i know who watch UFC r white
mayweather might be right also when he said it cause there no white fighters
in boxing doin good besides kelly pavlik
that y there runnin to the ufc cause the black,Latin or european make up the best fighters in boxing

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supragtx

^^
haha

he dropped a bomb when he said 'they only pay to see kelly pavlik'
LMAOOOOO
POOOWWWWWWW

just like mayweather said... 'they cant make it on the sport thats they move to mma, why do u think mexican, blacks, latinos are dominatin the sport'

heat... u know u gotta b lyin when u said about euripean fighters bro..
there assssssss



fock work man.... ur fockin idol was 2 blocks from ur house suuucka... shit i would of called in sick or somthing.... when they goin back to the yankee stadium?!?!

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YoUnG CaLi

i read that earlier.....i have tattoos..but yea i watch UFC..lmao...so hes right on that 1...ahahahaha@ only skin heads watch it....bob arum is a fool....

WIG E

I do agree that MMA does seem to attract some serious douchbagery follewers, with all the tapout/affliction gear, greased hair, guido/staten island, techno, jager bomb type fans. I've actually thought about the race issue like this guy is saying, my theory is that many of these stereotype MMA follewers are preps and/or guys that were non athletes in highschool who don't know much about other sports that just recently decided to jump on this hot new fighting movement (all the street fighting movies that came out last year).

However, when has white boxers ever been relevent in the last few decades? Does Balboa count and wasn't he Italian anyways? . Seems like some areas of the boxing world is disgruntled with their PPV payouts and this is just another copout to blame whites for boxing not pulling in the crowd like it did in the Tyson era. Looks real similar to how some races claim Eminem's record sales is only a reflection of white consumers and there are not any black fans. If i'm not mistaken most of the title holders and fighters in MMA are black and hispanic, somehow that doesn't seem to be drawing away the white "rednecks"...

This whole boxing fans vs MMA fans is pretty hilarious, you have the super hot cheerleader captain (A) in school that was always use to get the attention from guys. Come senior year she's already done railed the whole football team sideways to Mars, losing much of her value. All the sudden some new Freshman girl (B) with even a bigger rack transfers over to that school and begins to draw even more attention. Girl (A) becomes insecure of this new girl getting all this shine and starts to show her disinterest in her publically. Tensions grow as the new girl continues to draw even more and more attention while girl (A) still continues get some attention, except this time she's fuckng the cross country team and girl (B) is now the one fuckng the quarterbacks. Never the less, girl (B) has elderly respect for girl (A) so she must show her dues and keep the shit talking to a minimum

Where does girl C (WWE) fall into, well she's the hot teacher that bangs students on the low, ironically her fanbase never really loses interest

topballer87

hahaha bob arum owned that rookie and the mma

WIG E

I really think this whole MMA fashion shit is just a temporary big movement... Like back in the 90's everyone was out playin street hockey cus of the Mighty Ducks, then early 00's it was street racing cus of Fast n Furious. I'm not saying MMA is inspried by movies but I think the whole faggotry behind some of their die hard fans will burn itself out gradually... I mean Fast n Furious at the time was sweet, but was it really cool to go out after leaving the theatres and put a coffee can muffler tip and 3 foot wing spoiler on your 92 Civic? Not really, but people still did it.. That's how it is with me and MMA/boxing, i'll go out and watch the big headlines but im' not going to start rocking wristbands, see-through kid sized shirts so tight that it makes my veins in my arms bulge out. I mean tribal tattoo's were the thing back in the late 90's, but when I spot a fresh inked armband when i'm at the bar. C'mon man, same guy probably still listens to Limp Bizkit

YoUnG CaLi

It is nothing like movies....its not a over night hype. MMa has been around for a while, and like every other sport its taking time to develope. There's no such thing as a typical mma fan. I'm a boxer and I really really like the ufc. I know plenty of people for all different races that love ufc. Its on its way up and lately its been catching up to boxing. It will never do boxing numbers but to say is all hype or temporary buzz is just stupid.
Wig E when you come out here, look up all the new MMA gyms out here....LT just opened one in the north county. Its blowing up big time. Young kids are growing up on UFC so they're all going to wanna do that now..just watch

WIG E

i'm not saying MMA is a temp buzz, i'm saying the MMA guido's that rock Affliction and spiked collars coming into a BW3's on fight night, the ones that try to bar stool coach and tpreach ground defense when they've never even been in a brawl. That whole style and fashion behind the sport will burn itself out, or just transend

YoUnG CaLi

^^^ i dont know man. MMA is here to stay. its always been around but never put out to the masses. now itll spread like souther california wild fires..lol..im telling you, so many kids like that shit. and thats what get sports popularity going. just like WWE, kids love that shit..

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WIG E

lol bro again, i'm not sayin MMA as a sport, i'm talking about the topic at hand. Arum is basically stereotyping the fans that follow MMA, that's what i'm commenting on, the fanbase.

I agree that it's going to continue to grow, but the whole "people with think i'm a tough guy if I rock a XXS tapout tee and ripped jeans" I don't see that shit lasting too long, it's more or less a trend until people start mocking it out so much that they finally realize how patheticly similar they all look.. But eh, maybe it will, fans do love looking like their fav athletes/celebs.

DaKillahWitNoFace

MMA is the new boxing. Boxing's dead fellas.

heat27

the only reason mma doin good is cause dana white pays his fighters shit
that y he able to pack cards with top ufc fighters
Chuck Liddell biggest pay day was like $400,000
and he was like the biggest star in the sport
berto got more then that for his last fight and he no where near
a boxin superstar yet LOL
in boxin main event fighters like cotto,pacman,mayweather etc...
get millions to fight
cause of that they cant put another big fight on the card cause
it would cost to much money
like nov.14 cotto vs pacman cotto gettin 10-13 mill and pacman gettin 20 + mill
that main event is more money then a whole UFC card
shit cotto makin more money then all the fighters combine on one ufc cards LOL
that y u cant put mayweather/marquez and cotto/pacman on the same card
it will cost to much and they wont make shit on the PPV and tickets
remember each fighter get a cut of PPV and tickets
when dana has to start payin his fighters more money u see the
ufc ppv become just like boxin one big fight ppv

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WIG E

That's why those MMA fighters are all wrapped with endorsements up and down. I remember reading somewhere on UFC 100 Brock Lesnar got paid ($400k to show $400k to win) vs. Frank Mir ($45,000 to show, $45,000 to win) (GSP 200k to show + win) I mean that really ain't all that for fighting a couple times a year.. All the training and dieting, it's kind of a rape job compared to how much cake UFC brings in















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supragtx

real talk heat.....

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Tha Unit On Top

Dam, that reporter shitted on Arum, that old white dipshit, I guess thats why boxing is fucking dead, Floyd couldnt even sell out for this fight.

Is he serious, skinheads? Only white guys with tats are in MMA? Yeah, I guess he never heard of Machida, Anderson Silva, two of the best in the world, Fedor, no tats, best in the world. Torres, Aldo, Faber, Rampage, Rashad Evans, Nogs, Randy Couture, BJ, yeah all white guys with tats.


The old boxing guys are mad that UFC is killing shit. I guess they didnt see the UFC did 1.7 mill PPV buys for UFC 100 and over a mill for 101. They put on stacked cards every month, while in boxing, what, 3 big fights a year, maybe. This guy just showed how out of touch he truely is.

Hopefully mma and UFC wont do what boxing did, become corrupt, by judges, dont make fights that fans want, like Arum is doing.

He flat out told you there wont be a Manny/Floyd fight, the fight people want, the biggest fight that can be made in boxing history this guy doesnt want to make.

Wonder why boxing is a shell of itself and MMA is the biggest combat sport in the world, this is why.

UFC, another year of record PPV buys, blasting boxing and WWE. But your right, its a fad, it blew up a few years ago, is getting bigger every year, but its a fad. Arum, he looked like an ass, and he is getting slammed every which way for it. Only boxing fans who cant admit it agree with him, and I do like boxing, but its clear to see MMA is bigger than boxing, its not even close.

Tha Unit On Top

Actually thats his base pay, that dont include his PPV money and other things, he took in over 3 mill for that fight.

Tha Unit On Top

I agree with what your saying, but about never do boxing numbers, UFC 100 did 1.7 mill PPV buys, thats a fact that was reported and quoted by mulit sources, even if Arum wants to dispute that, but I agree they wont do Floyd/Oscar 2.5 mill buys numbers, but what other fights do that big of numbers?

Floyd/Hatton didnt do as much as 100 did, what other fights do that huge numbers?

Fact is, the last years UFC has beaten boxing in total PPV buys in a year, and the WWE, so catching up to boxing, bro, sorry to say, its passed boxing long ago, yeah I agree the big boxing fights still happen and get interest, but how many of them are in a year? 2? 3? This year, Manny/Hatton, Manny/Cotto, I dont even consider Floyd/JMM a mega fight, they coulnt even sell the shit out as of a week ago, but call it a big fight.

Its the other cards that nobody gives a shit about.


UFC is just one org, not a whole sport, yes they are the biggest, but they do cards every month, PPV every month, free fight nights every few months, they give fans free fights on tv, and big fights on every card, thats the difference, boxing gives you a few big fights a year, UFC gives you big fights every month.

Plus boxing has a head start, been around how many years? Since i dont even know, the 1800s? I mean the whole 1900's boxing was big, at one point boxing and horse racing were the biggest sports in the US, so boxing has a big head start, alot of boxing fans are old, or have been grandfathered into it, MMA has been around since 93, and really only the last few years has it really become big, so they are still going all over the world, in brazil, japan, mma is huge, in the UK now too, there are tons of hispanic fans, black fans, white fans.

I'm Italian, I aint no skinhead, him talking about fans like that is a joke.

I could say all boxing fans are blacks and mexicans, guys who mow my lawn, blacks who star riots in the ring, you aint ever seen no white skinheads from the crowd charge the cage, but you've seen that in boxing in the Bowe fight,

If Dana white said boxing fans mow my lawn cause they are mexicans, what would happen?

But Arum says mma fans are skinheads, I dont know about you, but to me a skinhead is a racist, a nazi. Thats what he called mma fans and fighters.
They he said they are gay cause they wrestle. He dissed how many people and nobody cares, but Dana White says something and he gets killed for it.

heat27

ur cards is stack cause dana doesnt have to pay his fighters millions
he pays them shit wait till he has to start payin them more money
ur PPV will be just like boxing

u stack ur card all u want but it took one fight for boxin to do over 2 million :)




and pacman vs DLH did over a mill

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Tha Unit On Top

Yeah but notice now Oscar is gone, and Manny is the big star, and I guess Floyd, thats it, what other boxers are doing a mill PPV buys

UFC has done a mill buys with UFC 91. 92 94 100 101 in the last year, since Nov 08, and on Nov 21 UFC 106 with Brock vs Carwin, Tito vs Coleman that card will do a mill PPV buys I bet, so look how many cards in the last year the UFC has done that have done a mill or close to it.

I do agree that MMA cards are more stacked, thats what helps them sell, thats why I buy UFC cards and not boxing, pay 60 bucks for what, 1 fight?

Like on Sat, UFC 103 vs Floyd/JMM. Now I know boxing fans and Floyd will gloat if they do more buys, they should do more, but looking at the UFC card, not a single title fight, the main event is Franklin vs Vitor Belfort. Were not talking about Lesnar, Liddell, Randy, Machida, SIlva, BJ, GSP etc, the stars, so its not a huge card.

But overall, to pay to see Floyd dance for 12 rounds and win on the scorecards, why would I do that?

WIth the UFC, I get Rich/Vitor, Cro Cop vs Dos Santos, Trigg/Kos, Daley/Kampmann, Hermes vs Tyson Griffin, plus some undercard fights, probably get 7 good fights in all, its worth the money.

Now in boxing, if Floyd fights Manny, I will def buy that card, for that one fight alone, thats a fight that will do 3 mill buys, no MMA card will do near that, I get that, but thats it for boxing, you got two stars, Manny, Floyd, once they fight, were do they go from there? Is a fight with Shane gonna be huge? I mean Floyds fight with JMM didnt even sell out as of a week ago, what does that tell you?

I mean your right, the UFC doesnt pay like boxing, but dont act like they dont pay there fighters, the top fighters make millions per fight with the PPV money etc, some guys make 400k plus with bonuses, they have to pay 25 guys on a single card, not to mention they are a company, all the money they spend marketing, promo etc, all the people who work behind the scenes, not just the fighters, so there are alot more people to pay.


And Chuck makes more than 400k homey, like I said, your looking at just base pay, the deals they get that is money to show up, money if you win, and fight bonus money.

But alot of these guys, the big stars get PPV money. For instance, Brock Lesnar made over 3 mill for his UFC 100 fight, and Chuck probably a few years ago for his big fights, he probably was making a mill atleast per fight.

The UFC is smart, they pay top guys and do it on PPV, take EXC paid Kimbo 500k to headline a CBS card, not even PPV, and they went under, PPV is were the money is, and the UFC is doing 13 PPV a year, not to mention giving fans free fights on Spike, thats something boxing went away from, giving fans big fights for free, HBO is as close to free as they get, and HBO does give fans some good fights, thing about boxing that bothers me is the announcers, Lampley and then Arum and boxers, they are so quick to diss MMA, why? You wouldnt talk shit about it if you werent threatened by it, Floyd talks money, PPV buys etc, but fact is he and all of them know MMA is bigger than boxing, yeah boxing has a few huge fights, but UFC puts on an event every month that does big numbers, big tv numbers, they feel threatened by it and thats why they talk shit about it, MMA doesnt have to do that, you dont hear Joe Rogan smash boxing during a UFC event, in fact Dana White loves boxing, talks about how he grew up watching boxing and still loves it, only he sees how the promoters killed boxing with there bullshit.

Tha Unit On Top

Stack ur card all you want, but it took boxing one fight to do this? Duh, you say that like its a bad thing MMA stacks cards. And how many other boxing events done over a mill PPV buys in the last year?

Since Nov 08, how many boxing cards have done over a mill PPV buys?

UFC since Nov have done a mill buys with UFC 91 92 94 100 101, and in Nov, Brock vs Carwin will do a mill as well.

Boxing did what, Manny vs Hatton did a mill, Manny vs Cotto will do a mill, and will Floyd vs JMM do it? Probably not, but lets say yes, my point is UFC stacks cards, UFC puts on big events every month, alot of times per year, not just the one or two big fights like in boxing.


I'm a fan of boxing, I love boxing, I love mma, honestly I think MMA is more exciting, its more of a real fight, boxing is just that, boxing, put two guys in a cage/ring, and say fight, they wont just box, they will fight, and in mma you get boxing, kick boxing, muay thai, then wrestling, grappling, bjj, subs, so many ways to win, KO's, TKO's, head kicks, knees, can pound someone out on the ground, can make them sub. In boxing, yes boxing the display of hands is great, thats what it is, its boxing, but alot of fights are boring, guys run around, goes the whole fight, to the judges cards, judges suck in boxing. MMA so much more action, ways to win, shit can happen so fast, thats why younger kids love it.

So your a fan of boxing, you dont like mma? I like both, and most everyone I know who watches mma likes boxing, I dont see how you are a fan of fighting but dont like mma, when thats more of real fighting.

supragtx

this is were i say... u aint a REAL boixng fan... us fans stand behind it 100 % no matter wat... we love the sweet scince.... all yall dudes care is about knock outs... if yall dont see a knock out yall bitch about it.. real talk...
well tahts boxing.... floyd does amazing job on it... skills at its best... yall shit on boxing cause of shit like that... yall dont admire wat boxing really is...
too uss its just diffrent..

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heat27

first off floyd mayweather not a draw
he never really had a strong fan base
that y when he fought gatti and zab he did 300,000
he needs huge stars to like DLH and hatton
s this sat ppv with mayweather goin to flop know it cause
he never was a draw


i really have no problem with ufc makin money and doin there own thing
cause boxin and ufc r two different sports
i have a problem with ufc fans talkin about there PPV cards gettin stacked
and boxin diein.
dana runs his company the same way vince mcmahon runs the wwe
he take controlled of all the stars pays most of them shit
aleast vince pays guys like cena triple and orton millions(and he had to cause of have popular it started gettin in the 90's even tho he didnt want 2)
but the rest get paid way less then a million
dana know this is the only way he can get the big numbers by
payin less for his fighters it wont last
the sports gettin popular and the more popular it get he goin to
have to pay more and then his PPV cards with get shitter
no ufc fighters get paid for a fight like cotto,mosley,mayweather pavlik,pacman etc.. do
im just takin what they get for a fight not tickets,ppv etc..
boxin cant pack cards with guys makin 20 mill each
the promoter,hbo the area etc... wont make good money
it a fact


ufc doin ther thing but boxin will never die
in america it not want it was but around the world it bigger then mma
the klitschkos sell out soccer stadium which had 60,000+ in europe
and there borin as fuck LOL no ufc or boxin fighters do can do that in a football stadium here maybe only DLH
haye and khan r the next big stars from the UK to take over hatton spot
arthur abraham big in germany and same other places in europe
boxin is big in japan and china Japan chris john sell out areas over there
etc...
mosley vs margarito broke records at staples center
more people come to that fight then a lakers final game or any show ever done there
cotto sell out msg and mgm grand lopez is next in line to take over msg
juan daiz sells in texas
gamboa the next big star
boxin has alot of young star who will be the future
it wont die

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heat27

because i dont want to see guy fight the way i see people fight on the streets
the reason i love boxin is not like real fightin its a sport
it a sweet science that mma doesnt have
i dont enjoy seein people wrestle on the ground
i notice that everytime i check out a ufc fight
the fans cheer the most when fighters stand and throw
even they know if they dont want to admitted that more
exciting then wrestlin on the ground for most of the round

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floyd mayweather himself

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