10/21/07 - Rapper arrest fuels questions over hip hop

THE MOVEMENT! · 10-21-2007, 03:45 PM

The arrest on weapons charges of Grammy Award-winning rapper T.I. could fuel the image of violent inner-city black males and undermine efforts to clean-up hip hop, experts said.

Many rappers make a living from portraying the aggression and profanity they say reflects the reality of U.S. inner city life but this year record companies and civil rights leaders have waged a campaign to ban hip hop records that use curses from radio.

T.I., who was born Clifford Harris, faces up to 20 years in jail if convicted of charges that he tried to buy unregistered machine guns even though he was a convicted felon. He was remanded in custody on Friday for a further week.

His arrest last Saturday stunned many hip hop fans because it came just hours before he was due to star at a major hip hop awards ceremony in Atlanta.

"It (the arrest) is going to fit into the stereotype of the violent young black male and of course it will look like he did something incredibly stupid with no reasoning about it," said William Jelani Cobb, the author of a recent book of essays about contemporary black culture.

That impression is exacerbated in T.I.'s case because, after two No. 1 albums on the U.S. billboard charts and an appearance in a forthcoming movie with Denzel Washington, he appeared on the verge of joining hip hop's elite.

Cobb said that if found guilty T.I., who is 27, will have likely thrown away his career.

He will also be seen to have failed to separate himself from the negative influence of some of the people he grew up with and to have fallen into the trap of living out the reality on which he based his music, Cobb said.
"Hip hop as a culture prides itself on urban savvy," said Cobb, a professor of history at Atlanta's Spelman College.

"The line that you have to walk is you have to be close enough to that community to be able to appeal to it and represent it but if you are too close you fall prey to the perils that are endemic in it," he said.

GUNS

Byron Hurt, who has made a documentary about masculinity in hip hop, said that for many young black men guns are seen as a legitimate way of expressing manhood and resolving disputes.

"(Many) men are indoctrinated with this belief that you show people how tough you are by the use of a gun .... A lot of young men in the hip hop generation buy into that," he said adding that the issue was not the sole preserve of blacks.

Insecurity was also a feature of life for many people growing up in inner cities who felt threatened by the people around them, said Bilal Mansa, an associate professor of sociology at Morehouse College in Atlanta.

Research showed that many young African American males in inner cities lived with a fear of betrayal and a mistrust of their peers and kept guns as a result, he said.

The murders of hip hop icons Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls in 1996 and 1997, apparently by other blacks, reinforced the notion among some rappers that their lives were under threat once they became successful.

Many rappers who found success were also faced with a choice: to break from the culture in which they grew up and thus jeopardize their authenticity, or to remain part of it.

"Society says: 'You've made it now so stop being who you were.' But for a young person that's a hard call because being who you were got you where you are," said Bakari Kitwana, author of The Hip Hop Generation. He added: "Most people trust people who they have been around."

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ns_diplomat · 10-21-2007, 04:57 PM

Free T.I.P

dutcher · 10-21-2007, 05:34 PM

free t.i.

NEWSKULL · 10-21-2007, 05:41 PM

20 Years????... Holy Shit... I'll Pray For Him...

unitymama · 10-21-2007, 10:26 PM

The govrenment has killed alot of people in this country and gotta away with like in texas 1996-97 in that Waco situation and none of them went to jail for that shit but wanna put the hip hop community in for the same shit they did and setting people up!!!!!...

unitymama · 10-21-2007, 10:27 PM

And they gonna get their believe that!!!!

Phantom_rydaz · 10-21-2007, 10:33 PM

this is some fucked up shit man

FREE T.I. and Prodigy

The Most Shady · 10-21-2007, 10:43 PM

wow t i desvers it what an ideot i have no symphcy

LONGBEACHSFINEST · 10-21-2007, 10:56 PM

t.i deserves to go down just for being such an idiot.... why would he have his bodyguards collecting guns? and why does he have bodyguards? why did he even need those guns at his home if he had body guards?.... just stupidity

tastyme · 10-21-2007, 11:13 PM

As they say stupid is what wtupid does. First of all T.I. should not have been buying guns himself, he should have hired armed security like 50Cent so when the shit the hits the fan their asses are covered.

keece · 10-21-2007, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unitymama

The govrenment has killed alot of people in this country and gotta away with like in texas 1996-97 in that Waco situation and none of them went to jail for that shit but wanna put the hip hop community in for the same shit they did and setting people up!!!!!...

REAL TALK

keece · 10-21-2007, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Most Shady

wow t i desvers it what an ideot i have no symphcy

nigga get yo ass off the computer and take yo ass 2 school and learn how 2 spell nigga

fromLAtoNY · 10-22-2007, 05:08 AM

they need to let him go, but i think he is gonna be gone for awhile

Hakaroodi · 10-22-2007, 09:22 AM

FUCK THA POLICE...!!!

Free T.I.. Free P...

Farai4 · 10-22-2007, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Most Shady

wow t i desvers it what an ideot i have no symphcy

just what i would expect from The Gaymes fan

free T.I even though im not a big fan of him

lag11787 · 10-22-2007, 08:54 PM

free that man

10-21-2007, 03:45 PM	#1
THE MOVEMENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 333 Repped: 101 Repped 502 Times in 43 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 1 Time in 1 Post	10/21/07 - Rapper arrest fuels questions over hip hop 10/21/07 - Rapper arrest fuels questions over hip hop The arrest on weapons charges of Grammy Award-winning rapper T.I. could fuel the image of violent inner-city black males and undermine efforts to clean-up hip hop, experts said. Many rappers make a living from portraying the aggression and profanity they say reflects the reality of U.S. inner city life but this year record companies and civil rights leaders have waged a campaign to ban hip hop records that use curses from radio. T.I., who was born Clifford Harris, faces up to 20 years in jail if convicted of charges that he tried to buy unregistered machine guns even though he was a convicted felon. He was remanded in custody on Friday for a further week. His arrest last Saturday stunned many hip hop fans because it came just hours before he was due to star at a major hip hop awards ceremony in Atlanta. "It (the arrest) is going to fit into the stereotype of the violent young black male and of course it will look like he did something incredibly stupid with no reasoning about it," said William Jelani Cobb, the author of a recent book of essays about contemporary black culture. That impression is exacerbated in T.I.'s case because, after two No. 1 albums on the U.S. billboard charts and an appearance in a forthcoming movie with Denzel Washington, he appeared on the verge of joining hip hop's elite. Cobb said that if found guilty T.I., who is 27, will have likely thrown away his career. He will also be seen to have failed to separate himself from the negative influence of some of the people he grew up with and to have fallen into the trap of living out the reality on which he based his music, Cobb said. "Hip hop as a culture prides itself on urban savvy," said Cobb, a professor of history at Atlanta's Spelman College. "The line that you have to walk is you have to be close enough to that community to be able to appeal to it and represent it but if you are too close you fall prey to the perils that are endemic in it," he said. GUNS Byron Hurt, who has made a documentary about masculinity in hip hop, said that for many young black men guns are seen as a legitimate way of expressing manhood and resolving disputes. "(Many) men are indoctrinated with this belief that you show people how tough you are by the use of a gun .... A lot of young men in the hip hop generation buy into that," he said adding that the issue was not the sole preserve of blacks. Insecurity was also a feature of life for many people growing up in inner cities who felt threatened by the people around them, said Bilal Mansa, an associate professor of sociology at Morehouse College in Atlanta. Research showed that many young African American males in inner cities lived with a fear of betrayal and a mistrust of their peers and kept guns as a result, he said. The murders of hip hop icons Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls in 1996 and 1997, apparently by other blacks, reinforced the notion among some rappers that their lives were under threat once they became successful. Many rappers who found success were also faced with a choice: to break from the culture in which they grew up and thus jeopardize their authenticity, or to remain part of it. "Society says: 'You've made it now so stop being who you were.' But for a young person that's a hard call because being who you were got you where you are," said Bakari Kitwana, author of The Hip Hop Generation. He added: "Most people trust people who they have been around." SOURCE- PROPS IT,SNIIITCHESSS! __________________ "The industry builds you up,in order to destroy you"-50 cent

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unitymama veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: GA. Posts: 6,445 Repped: 1,647 Repped 73 Times in 38 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Neg Reps: 7 Neg Repped at 8 Times in 7 Posts	The govrenment has killed alot of people in this country and gotta away with like in texas 1996-97 in that Waco situation and none of them went to jail for that shit but wanna put the hip hop community in for the same shit they did and setting people up!!!!!... __________________ 50's dick feels so good in my candyshop mmm!!!!!

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unitymama veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: GA. Posts: 6,445 Repped: 1,647 Repped 73 Times in 38 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Neg Reps: 7 Neg Repped at 8 Times in 7 Posts	And they gonna get their believe that!!!! __________________ 50's dick feels so good in my candyshop mmm!!!!!

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The Most Shady Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 251 Repped: 26 Repped 2 Times in 2 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	wow t i desvers it what an ideot i have no symphcy

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LONGBEACHSFINEST Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California Posts: 2,832 Repped: 288 Repped 1,812 Times in 156 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 3 Times in 1 Post	t.i deserves to go down just for being such an idiot.... why would he have his bodyguards collecting guns? and why does he have bodyguards? why did he even need those guns at his home if he had body guards?.... just stupidity

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tastyme Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 511 Repped: 5 Repped 45 Times in 7 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	As they say stupid is what wtupid does. First of all T.I. should not have been buying guns himself, he should have hired armed security like 50Cent so when the shit the hits the fan their asses are covered.

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