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We're at it again! We raised hell and raised each other's ire in the third of our ongoing series of Greatest of All Time Hip-Hop debates.

A lot of you know this drill: MTV News' hip-hop brain trust converges in a studio and all of a sudden, smoke begins coming out of people's nostrils, voices are raised (along with the roof), best friends start insulting each other — and that's during the pleasant moments.

Two years ago we debated and came up with our list of the 10 Greatest Hip-Hop Albums of All-Time. Last year, we stepped it up a notch and decided on a list of the 10 Greatest Solo MCs of All Time. And while we're still hearing from you online and in the streets about our first two sit-downs (Jay-Z even mentioned the greatest-MCs list in Beyoncé's "Deja Vu"), the brain trust had to go for the trifecta. There are many categories we could have gone with, but ultimately we felt that it was best to determine the 10 Greatest Hip-Hop Groups of All Time.

The first step was settling on criteria. We agreed that we would only count groups that included at least two MCs. So duos like Gang Starr or Eric B. & Rakim — which included one rapper and a DJ — aren't eligible, but tandem-teams like N.W.A or even Kid N' Play are.

Next up was the mathematical list. Everyone submitted a top 10, with each #1 pick getting 10 points, the #2 getting nine points, and so on. When compiling the totals, once again it was obvious that the numbers didn't add up to what our hearts were telling us.




Bun B and Pimp C held court below the Mason-Dixon Line for years with their gritty playa anthems and thuggish tales about their Texas stomping grounds. Having influenced — and collaborated with — every major Southern MC from T.I. and Young Jeezy to their home state's newer titans like Slim Thug, Mike Jones and Paul Wall, UGK's longevity is a testament to their legacy in the way it's shaped the Dirty South's current stranglehold on hip-hop. Collaborations with Jay-Z ("Big Pimpin' ") and Three 6 Mafia ("Sippin' on Some Syrup") boosted their profile at the turn of the century. But the duo stayed rooted to their underground aesthetic, which continues to earn them respect among their peers today. Last year was another milestone. Whether it was T.I. remaking "Front, Back" for his King album or Bun almost single-handedly cornering the rap cameo market and championing his partner-in-rhyme with "Free Pimp C" chants, T-shirts and hats during Pimp's recently completed four-year incarceration, UGK have remained a fixture on the scene for 15 years. Reunited last year, Bun and Pimp's next album, UGK: Underground Kingz, the next album by Bun and Pimp — who reunited last year — is one of 2007’s most hotly anticipated projects.

Selected Catalog
Too Hard to Swallow (1992), Super Tight ... (1994), *Ridin' Dirty (1996), *Dirty Money (2001).

* = undeniable classic




The Fugees automatically separated themselves from most hip-hop groups with a rare dynamic: two guys and one Wonder Woman. The chemistry between Wyclef, Pras and Lauryn is legendary, for better or worse (they had one of hip-hop's most controversial breakups). Onstage, they broke out live musicians as well as DJs, and the familiar versions of songs on their albums were just the tip of the iceberg: You were bound to get a lot of improvisation, off-the-head freestyling, and Wyclef might even do a backflip or two.

In the end, there was too much personality and talent for one group. In her prime, Lauryn Hill used the mic as a giant eraser, disintegrating any gender line — just about every verse she spit was laced with brilliance and conveyed with a voice that exuded authority and demanded respect. As a singer, she was melodically entrancing and soul-stirring. And of course, in 1998 her Miseducation of Lauryn Hill became one of the best-selling and most popular albums of the decade. Likewise, Wyclef Jean has had a strong solo career and has become a highly successful producer, giving Destiny's Child their first big hit with "No, No, No," serving Shakira a worldwide smash with "Hips Don't Lie" and working with countless others in between. And while Pras was often referred to as "the third member" of the Fugees, he had a strong influence on the group's direction and he even had a big hit on his own (accompanied by Ol' Dirty Bastard and Mya) with "Ghetto Supastar."

Selected Catalog
Blunted on Reality (1994), *The Score (1996).

* = undeniable classic



With a whole lot of sass and class, Salt, Pepa and DJ Spinderella revolutionized the game for the ladies in hip-hop. Their unique combination of intelligence, sexuality, fashion trendsetting (the clothes and the fly, dyed hair were too fresh) and the feminist slant in their lyrics made every girl want to emulate their style, and had all the fellas wanting to get with them. Right out of the gate, they set the tone for their rambunctious catalog on their first two tracks, "Showstopper — where they leveled disses at their male counterparts Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh — and "Tramp," which was a wake-up call boldly stating that they could not be played. But with a zeal for more, the fiercely independent trio took matters into their own hands, contributing increasingly to the writing and production of each subsequent album, resulting in even greater success for the group. Tackling an array of subject matter from safe sex ("Let's Talk About Sex") to black male images ("Whatta Man") to flashing their toned, post-pregnancy bodies in "Shoop" ... Just ask Queen Latifah, Mary J., Foxy, Kim and even Lauryn how much inspiration they got from the Queens from Queens, New York. Not just the first female rap act to win a Grammy, Salt, Pep and Spin proved that ladies really can be first.

Selected Catalog
*Hot, Cool & Vicious (1986), A Salt With a Deadly Pepa (1988), *Blacks' Magic (1990), Very Necessary (1993), Brand New (1997).

* = undeniable classic



In their prime, EPMD were the standard-bearers for consistency. You could always count on Erick Sermon and Parrish Smith to deliver something funky, fresh and fly — and make it sell. The Long Island, New York, collective — who blatantly shunned crossing over — could give you music for the clubs or the car without sacrificing their signature, hard-core, street-corner sound. The poster children for Timbos, hoodies and fishermen hats, E had plenty of of punch lines and jokes on the mic, even breaking into song once in a while ("I am so amaaaayzing"), while Parrish was cut from the same stone-cold straight-man cloth as DMC. Who else could come up with lyrics like "While you banging on tables, I was b---ing Snow White"? Their DJ, Scratch, was in the tradition of Jam Master Jay (it was Jay who in fact urged EPMD to put Scratch in the fold), proving to be an indispensable third member, contributing to their production as well as a being a human highlight reel at their concerts (when he used to cut with the Jason Voorhees mask, it was something else!).

Besides their legendary musical achievements, Erick and Parrish went down in history for living up to their motto of making dollars and simultaneously helping to instill hip-hop's now-popular crew-love motif. It was profitable, too: By introducing and establishing Redman, K-Solo and Das EFX as their Hit Squad crew, they became the first rap act to break several different artists on several different labels all at once.

Sadly, EPMD broke up in their prime, but Erick went on to keep discovering popular artists (Keith Murray) while having a successful career as a solo rapper and producer (Redman, Method Man). Meanwhile, DJ Scratch continued to be a master of the live show, DJing on tours and producing for such supreme MCs as Jay-Z, 50 Cent and Busta Rhymes. In 2006, EPMD and Scratch reunited for a world tour and will hit the road again this year.

Selected Catalog
Strictly Business (1988), *Unfinished Business (1989), *Business as Usual (1990), *Business Never Personal (1992), Back in Business (1997), Out of Business (1999).
* = undeniable classic



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Creativity, reliability, respect and lyrics to go: Musically, Q-Tip, Ali Shaheed Muhammad, Phife Dawg (and early member Jarobi) are one of the most innovative groups ever, and they remain one of the most popular. Tribe bridged the gap from the golden era of the late 1980s to the furious styles of the '90s with hit records that lyrically held the integrity of the everyday kid in the 'hood, but musically went far beyond any city block, coast or time zone.

When Phife Diggy really started to get shine on the classic Low End Theory, hip-hop found that one of its best-kept secrets was a battle-ready five-footer (he was actually a little taller than that) from Queens, New York. He flipped metaphors like dice in his hands for the fellas and still found time to be "smooth like butter" while getting at the ladies. Tip — with his ever-so-recognizable nasal swagger — was the abstract poet whose mind always seemed to be somewhere else, thinking on a different plane, but was right exactly there in the moment. Together, Tip and Ali Shaheed Muhammad developed Tribe's signature sound — which paired the smooth thump of jazz with the brutal bump of hip-hop — distinguishing the group's soundscapes from all the others of their time.

Selected Catalog
*People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm (1990), *The Low End Theory (1991), *Midnight Marauders (1993), Beats, Rhymes and Life (1996), The Love Movement (1998).



Sonically untouchable and lyrically impregnable, no group could ever compete line-for-line with the nine swordsmen from Staten Island, New York. When their movement started in 1993, it was like a meteor shower raining down on hip-hop: They bum-rushed the game with not only classic music (collectively and individually), but with a keen business plan that included solo deals through separate labels for each of the members, as well as one of the first rapper clothing lines.

Wu-Tang were an ensemble so gifted and diverse that you fell in love with each of them for different reasons. The skilled Inspectah Deck, the forceful U-God, the deep-thinking Masta Killah — and the standouts. Method Man: so much charisma, a flow that could body any track and a voice that was immediately recognizable. GZA: Wordplay so advanced he made his opponents look like dilettantes. Raekwon and Ghostface — one of the best duos ever — were almost like Siamese twins, completing each other's bars and sharing flavor, from fly clothes and girls to Cristal. And Ol' Dirty Bastard: Who in rap besides Flavor Flav was ever more colorfully lovable than Big Baby Jesus?

RZA, of course, is the mastermind behind it all, rapping as well as producing all the albums. He had beats that sang to you like grandma coming home from church on Sunday. The classic soul sound he culled could have police in riot gear rushing to your favorite club because the thugs were so inspired to lose control — or have you reaching for tissues because the sound touches your heart with such potency.

Selected Catalog
*Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993), *Wu-Tang Forever (1997), The W (2000), Iron Flag (2001).

* = undeniable classic



Andre 3000 and Big Boi are about as different from each other as they are from the rest of the industry — but they've made one of the greatest musical marriages in history. Groups before them — such as the Geto Boys, UGK, and 8Ball and MJG — inspired Southern rap acts to tell their stories on wax, but the 'Kast were really the first ones to take the Southern experience into the mainstream.

Even with the stardom, the ATLiens showed that they were probably the most uncompromising and unpredictable group in hip-hop history. It wasn't enough for them to go left — they took it somewhere into the cosmos. Big Boi is a brash b-boy who steered his words more toward the streets, and Andre adopted the second moniker "3000" because he's about 1,000 years past his peers when it comes to imagination.

In 10 years' time, The Love Below, his half of Outkast's 2003 Spearkerboxx/ The Love Below — which has been certified 11 times platinum by the RIAA, and in 2004 became the first and thus far only LP by a rap group to win the Grammy for Album of the Year — will be considered one of the most creative albums of our generation. But that's the 'Kast's MO, isn't it? With the exception of their new "Idlewild" soundtrack, they've done what no other hip-hop group has ever done: make every album multiplatinum while garnering the stamp of "classic" from critics and fans.

Selected Catalog
*Southernplayalisticadillacmuzick (1994), *ATLiens (1996), *Aquemini (1998), *Stankonia (2000), *Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (2003), Idlewild (2006).

* = undeniable classic



Public Enemy's albums were literally the soundtrack to the struggle against the "anti-n---a machine." Chuck D may have the most distinctive and commanding voice in hip-hop history: Its tone, power and relentless courage led an era. Chuck conveyed the thoughts of the revolution like a general on the battlefield, confronting everything from racial inequality in society to racial inequality in Hollywood, along with the military draft, the crack epidemic, and he even accused Elvis Presley ("Muthaf--- him and John Wayne!") of being a racist. Long before he became the king of reality TV, Flavor Flav brought comic relief to this Long Island, New York, crew — because everyone knows you have to laugh to keep from crying. His energy and unorthodox persona made him the greatest hypeman of all time. Beneath the jokes, though, Flav had his own deep thoughts, authoring "911 Is a Joke."

The beats of the Bomb Squad — Hank Shocklee, Keith Shocklee, Eric "Vietnam" Sadler (and, later, Gary G-Wiz) — were unassailably hard, rhythmically omnipresent and just as important to the P.E. movement as any words Chuck and Flav ever dropped on wax.

Selected Catalog
Yo! Bum Rush the Show (1987), *It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1988), *Fear of a Black Planet (1990), Apocalypse 91 ... The Empire Strikes Black (1991), Muse Sick-N-Hour Mess Age (1994), He Got Game (soundtrack) (1998), There's a Poison Goin' On ... (1999), Revolverlution (2002).

* = undeniable classic



They were called "the world's most dangerous group" for a reason. It wasn't just good to be bad when it came to Eazy-E, Dr. Dre, MC Ren, DJ Yella and Ice Cube: It was life-altering. It feels almost criminal to categorize N.W.A as merely a group. They were and are a state of mind, a lifestyle, a movement. With all the dope-selling, the graphic sex and violence in their lyrics, N.W.A were like voices from the other side of the ghetto. While the East Coast was dominating hip-hop, the ghetto-entrenched narratives of N.W.A's 1989 breakthrough, Straight Outta Compton, introduced society to a whole different 'hood mentality. Ice Cube in particular could make you feel like you were standing on the corner of Crenshaw and Slauson in South Central L.A. with a 40-ounce in your hand, getting ready to duck the swing of a bigoted cop's baton. Lyrically, the underrated MC Ren was right on his heels — so cold-hearted in his delivery and remorselessly precise with his bars.

The group's influence has reached far beyond its songs. With Ruthless Records, the late Eazy-E helped to design the template for the independent rap-label hustle. Hollywood has become so enamored of the former public enemy number-one Ice Cube that he now stars in kids' flicks. And Dre has become simply the greatest hip-hop producer of all time, helping to launch the careers of Snoop Dogg, the D.O.C., Eminem and 50 Cent, among others — and Eazy didn't do too badly for himself, with Bone Thugs-N-Harmony.

Selected Catalog
N.W.A and the Posse (1987), *Straight Outta Compton (1989), *100 Miles and Runnin' EP (1990), *N---az4life (1991).



There will never be another hip-hop act more deserving of the words: "If it weren't for them ..." Run (Joseph Simmons), DMC (Darryl McDaniels) and the late Jam Master Jay (Jason Mizell) were true pioneers. They were far from the first to rap, but the Kings from Queens did it their way and, in the process, introduced hip-hop culture to the mainstream in the States and abroad. They literally changed the world: They were the first rap superstars, the first hip-hop act to go platinum, the first with a major endorsement deal (Adidas), the first to star in their own movie ("Tougher Than Leather"), the first to sell out tours across the globe, the first to infiltrate MTV and — if you're anywhere between the ages of 28 and 35 — they're probably the first rappers you wanted to be. Not be like: be.

Run embodied MC brashness at its most invigorating, truly making any stage or studio his house. And DMC's voice alone could make a million hearts explode. Jam Master Jay — who later discovered fellow Queens natives Onyx (JMJ actually helped take them to multiplatinum status in the early '90s) and 50 Cent — was one of the most proficient turntablists ever to pick up a tonearm. To hear Run and D tell it, Jay was the heart and soul of the group: He gave them their style of dookie-rope chains, Adidas and godfather hats, and his Hollis swagger heavily influenced their cool demeanors.

Their beats were harder than heavy metal — they were bold enough to acclaim themselves the Kings of Rock, and 1984's "Rock Box" may well be the first hip-hop song with screaming guitars — their raps inspired millions, shut down sucka MCs, rocked any jam and always stayed positive.

Selected Catalog
*Run-DMC (1984), *King of Rock (1985), *Raising Hell (1986), Tougher Than Leather (1988), Back From Hell (1990), Down With the King (1993), Crown Royal (1999).

* = undeniable classic


HONORABLE MENTIONS:


2 Live Crew
These beastie boys from South Florida literally had to fight for their right to party — the case over whether or not their 1989 LP, As Nasty as They Wanna Be, was legally obscene went all the way to the Supreme Court. We can't really call Luke Campbell and his fun-loving, boot-knocking collective martyrs, but they did take the weight when the powers-that-be tried to stifle hip-hop's freedom of expression. The Crew were also pioneers of the Miami bass sound, which we know helped inspire crunk. Luke and his crew might not be the world's greatest MCs, but they put on quite an interesting live show.


8Ball and MJG
Former Suave House Records CEO Tony Draper will tell you that the independent rap hustle was sweet back in the day: His franchise artists, 8Ball and MJG, pushed major units in the '90s with little marketing but plenty word of mouth. Ball and MJG climbed the ranks to become Southern legends by not conforming to what was hot, but by staying true to their experiences in the ghettos.


Beastie Boys
Who would have thought that the three poster kids for keg parties would turn out to be hip-hop's big humanitarians in their more mature years? The Beasties came out with a bang — opening Madonna's Like a Virgin tour in 1985 before they even had an album out; touring with Whodini and LL Cool J on Run-DMC's Raising Hell trek; and having then-little-known Public Enemy open for them when they toured in support of 1987's massive-selling License to Ill. The group also managed to recover from the overkill of its early years, reinventing its sound with the sample-crammed Paul's Boutique (produced by the Dust Brothers, who'd later play a similar role on Beck's Odelay) and getting into old-school funk throughout the '90s. Still, the Beasties' role in the thriving NYC hip-hop scene of the '80s can't be overlooked: Just for helping to solidify Def Jam alone, the Beasties will go down in the rap annals.


Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
These Thugs were the most melodic group in hip-hop history. How many MCs have tried to follow in Bone's footsteps with a sing-song flow? Many — but no one has been able to do it like this Cleveland group, which was discovered by N.W.A's Eazy-E. Bone Thugs' harmonizing could make a choir jealous, and if you listen closely, they had a lot to say. In 2006, they signed to super producer Swizz Beatz's Full Surface imprint, and have been poising themselves to become a factor on the charts again.


De La Soul
Weirdos? We think not. Sure, on their first album, 1989's Three Feet High and Rising, they brought a psychedelic tinge to hip-hop that they called the Daisy Age, but their second album proved they were no gimmicky one-trick-ponies. With Prince Paul backing them in the early part of their career, you could always count on some humor to accompany their conceptual wordplay. The De La we know now have not conformed to chase the dollars of kiddie consumers: Plugs One, Two and Three deliver grown-man music at its finest.


Geto Boys
No disrespect to Big Mike, but the Geto Boys lineup that will be remembered the most will always be Scarface, Willie D and Bushwick Bill. 'Face has hall of fame-level respect. He tells his stories with such clarity and gripping conviction that even a corpse could feel what he's saying. Willie D has presence on the mic: When he raps about kicking someone's a-- through the "goal posts of hell," you hear him loud and clear and believe him. Bushwick is the maniacal loon of the crew that you have to listen to every time just to see how crazy his verse will be. In the same way that N.W.A put us onto the West, the Geto Boys opened the doors for Southern hip-hop long before 8Ball and MJG, Outkast and UGK.


The LOX
The LOX have actually only made two official albums, but when you add up all the material they've done on the mixtape circuit for the past decade-plus — not to mention their solo work — they have a catalog that's probably larger than Tupac's. Lyrically, there's not another trio that can stand next to Jadakiss, Styles P and Sheek Louch. The Yonkers, New York, natives may not see mainstream love that some of their contemporaries have, but the streets will never turn their backs on them. The LOX also have the distinction of being integral parts of two dynasties: Bad Boy circa 1994-98, and Ruff Ryders circa '98-2002.


Mobb Deep
They are masters of blood talk and potent, glum beats that make eardrums bleed and dancefloors turn into jungle terrain. Prodigy and Havoc have not only been able to stay together for over 10 years (a rarity in rap) but they've stayed consistent with opuses riddled with project anguish, liquor-fueled debauchery and rapid-fire gunplay. They'll never step far enough outside their realm to chase a multiplatinum plaque, and that's why they've remained a concrete favorite.


The Roots
We had a difficult time classifying this long-running Philadelphia troupe. Although they've had a large number of guest MCs making records and performing with them over the years, to make it in our top 10, you had to have at least two MCs officially down with your unit. But this group doesn't really fit into any category, and maybe that's the greatest testament to its legacy. Black Thought — who rated an honorable mention in our Greatest MCs of All Time — still can mix it up with the best of them, the group's instrumental chops are beyond question (they backed Jay-Z on both his 2001 "Unplugged" performance and the 10th anniversary concert for Reasonable Doubt), and its live shows are legendary.


Three 6 Mafia
Before they won an Oscar, before they were staying fly, Triple 6 Mafia were putting Memphis on on the hip-hop radar with full-fledged donnybrook music. Hailing from the city most famous for Elvis, DJ Paul, Juicy J and their Hypnotized Mindz camp were able to carve out their own niche, making the world realize that a lot more music is coming out of Memphis than what's playing at Graceland. Whether it's selling records on their own or producing all their albums, Paul and J have kept it self-contained for over a decade — and when you can sell as many records as they have, who needs outside help?

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Jack Frost

propz on the list. i think N.W.A. deserved the number 1 spot though. run dmc i also hella good in fairness.

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Shady, Aftermath & G unit all day. fuck the haters!

YounG AleX

bump..........

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Archetype116

no bone thugs?

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YounG AleX

added ,,Honorable Mentions"

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ben krazy

ugk should be in the top 5 & eric b. and rakim should be on the list

muthaphukkka

Holy, they even put Three 6 Mafia as a honorable mention.

I like them, but I think thats pretty messed up.

MaliQ

'The first step was settling on criteria. We agreed that we would only count groups that included at least two MCs. So duos like Gang Starr or Eric B. & Rakim — which included one rapper and a DJ — aren't eligible, but tandem-teams like N.W.A or even Kid N' Play are.'


^^^^^^^^

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MaliQ

good list i would put mobb deep in place of salt n peppa. but its cool

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Dam3ion

this is about right....

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theproblem1989

mobb deep should have been in the top 10

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_widen

Mobb Deep and -without a doubt- Bone Thugs should be on Top 10... UGK has never sold big and it wasn't until 2003-2004, when the south became big, they resurfaced.. But I'm not saying UGK shouldn't be on that list or that they're bad, I really like Bun B. And I know they're an important foundation of the southern rap scene. But Mobb Deep and Bone Thugs has always been bigger.

And I'm not mad that Run DMC, took the #1 spot because they were indeed the first group to ever make it big.. And they were the first trendsetters, among other things... I personally have never really listened to them.

But come on... Bone Thugs came with a completely own type of rapping style, and they've sold more than any group.

(And I know I won't be taken serously talking about Bone, because I'm a big Bone fan and got them in my signature. So I won't blame ya'll... But this is facts)

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1.2.3

that list sucks. rundmc is wack, fugees should be higher, wu tang should be number one, empd shouldnt be on that list, de la soul should be on the list, salt n peppa is horrible...

i could go on and on

Heffernan

this list is the wackest thing i ever saw....
ugk
mobb deep
outkast
8ball & mjg
epmd
- DUO'S NOT GROUPS

slat n pepa
3 6 mafia
geto boys
- WACK

when i saw thins i was expecting to see
g-unit
d12
d4l
dem frenchise assholes
and stuff like that
i was supprised to see mtv take it old school like this

GoregousGangsta

that list was lame
best groups of all time is
1. dipset
2.mobb deep
3.wu tang clan
4.gunit
5.lox
run dmc is corny azz fuck
nwa is trash

Tehgame

you are TRASHHHH


Thier rapper duo's tho... I think those count. I cant believe gangstarr isnt here...


AND No NWA should not be top spot. Pretty Nice list for MTV

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ns_diplomat

that list is nice!!!!! good job MTV

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-HIDEOUS MEAT-

no rodney o and joe cooley?

YounG AleX

lmao hope you're kidding and

"The first step was settling on criteria. We agreed that we would only count groups that included at least two MCs. So duos like Gang Starr or Eric B. & Rakim — which included one rapper and a DJ — aren't eligible, but tandem-teams like N.W.A or even Kid N' Play are."
^^^^that's why gangstarr and rakim&eric b aren't on the list

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the boss

i agree no disrespect to ugk because im feeling them they shouldnt be in the top 10 over bone thugs period theyre the second biggest sellin g rap group of all time to outkast and they had a record breaking single with the crossroads..mobb deep has put out 2 classic cds for sure(the infamous,and murda muzick so they should be in there and also the geto boys need to be in the top 10 so move salt n pepa and ugk and give me bone&mobb deep plus its mtv

g-unitbrooklynsoulja

propssssssssssss

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the boss

plus groups like g unit,dipset, they are not groups they re supergroups wanna say the biggest supergroups then we could go
1.nwa cube,dr.dre,mc ren,eazy e
2.g unit 50,banks,buck,yayo
3.wu tang meth,rae,ghost,gza,rza
4.hot boys lil wayne,juvenile,b.g.,turk
5.dipset cam,jim jones,juelz santana
6.tru master p,sillk ,c murder
7.lox jada,sheek,styles p
8.westside connection cube,w.c.,mack 10
9.bootcamp click black moon,heltah skeltah,ogc
10.the doggpound snoop,daz,kurupt

and when you say supergroups you factor the affect they had on rap the stranglehold they had on the rap game and so on

"<Rub3N>"

mobb deep should be on that list, BUT NWA IS #1

El Scorpio

Big up Run DMC, N.W.A. und those Shaolin Wu-Tang guys I love their material!

Cyberfood

Cypress Hill Latinoooooooooo