Guns N' Roses Vs. Kanye West: Axl's Got A Secret Weapon In The Race For #1

J-Banks · 11-20-2008, 09:54 AM

Guns N' Roses Vs. Kanye West: Axl's Got A Secret Weapon In The Race For #1
Chinese Democracy's label is making a sly move to beat 808s & Heartbreak in first-week sales.

It was shaping up to be an epic battle between two of music's biggest heavyweights, with Kanye West — the Louis Vuitton Don, and the man we crowned the Hottest MC in the Game — standing in one corner, wearing the gold trunks and white Shutter Shades, ready to drop 808s & Heartbreak. And in the other: Axl Rose — sporting the black trunks, a Los Angeles Raiders jersey, red cornrows and a little album called Chinese Democracy.

Who will walk away with the championship belt? Chances are, it won't be 'Ye.

Fans are excited, critics and industry watchers look on with great anticipation, and even oddsmakers have jumped into the fray, casting Guns N' Roses as the favorite. But, at the 11th hour, GN'R are making things a bit interesting in this race toward Billboard's peak position. That's because Axl's got a secret weapon: the Eighth Day.

After years of false starts and broken promises, Geffen Records will finally issue Guns N' Roses' eagerly awaited album this coming Sunday, a day before West's latest hits stores. And a spokesperson for Geffen told MTV News that first-day sales figures for Chinese Democracy will not be reported to Nielsen SoundScan until November 30, the same day West's label will report his week-one sales.

Typically, albums are released in the U.S. on Tuesdays, and SoundScan tracks weekly sales data from Monday through Sunday, meaning that most albums' debut spots on the Billboard chart are based on six solid sales days. At first, most assumed day-one sales of Chinese Democracy — which took Rose more than 16 years to complete — would be reported next week and released the morning of November 26. But GN'R's label is holding off on releasing those sales figures until the following week, setting the stage for an extra boost in the chart standings announced on December 3.

West's only chance at a third consecutive #1 debut is the fact that Chinese Democracy will be available exclusively at Best Buy's Web site and stores, whereas 808s will be everywhere.

This is a different game from last fall, when Kanye and 50 Cent released solo albums on the very same day. After weeks of hype leading up to their showdown, West's Graduation pushed 957,000 copies, easily besting Curtis, which sold 691,000 copies in week one.

Before Geffen's plan was known, MTV News reached out to U.K. betting company Ladbrokes and online-gaming purveyors Bodog Entertainment to see which album they favor for a #1 opening. Despite West's immense popularity, the numerous leaks of Chinese Democracy over the years and GN'R's Best Buy deal, oddsmakers from both companies said Guns' LP has the best chance of scoring a chart-topping debut.

Bodoglife.com Sportsbook manager Richard Gardner put the odds at -130 in favor of Guns — which is basically the same thing as saying there's a 56 percent chance that Axl will outsell West. Meanwhile, he put the odds at -110 for a Kanye West win, or a 52 percent chance that his album will enter the chart at the peak position.

"We would quote 1/3 on Guns N' Roses, and 5/2 on Kanye West," said Nick Weinberg, head of Ladbrokes' novelty betting division. "So we make Guns N' Roses the favorite to top the charts in the week immediately after the release, due to the massive sense of anticipation surrounding the album. A lot of people have been waiting a long time for it."

Source: MTV

kingstyles3764 · 11-20-2008, 10:20 AM

i dont really like kanye but i think he might slip away wit it

Da MD Kid · 11-20-2008, 10:38 AM

who really cares??? n who really sees those two as being in competition wit each other. lamesss

G - DuP · 11-20-2008, 01:12 PM

808's is hot IMO...Amazing>>>>

T.Giddy · 11-20-2008, 01:15 PM

i ddint like chinese democracy at first.. but its grown on me and i like it. way better than kanye's album. amazin and see you in my nightmares was good but thats it

The Die · 11-20-2008, 01:16 PM

watch 'Ye beat up some paparazzis and makin another emo song cuz he aint numba 1

platinum_rapper2007 · 11-20-2008, 01:44 PM

kanye deserves gettin his azz beat gunz n roses tha shit

cmrcr12 · 11-20-2008, 02:02 PM

WOW i seriously forgot about this cd coming out the sam day..theres gonna be alot of people buying that album....if acdc and metalica can push 800,000 1st this can easily do that, people have been waiting on this cd and alot of rock fans suppot their artists by buying it.

D_D_D_D_David · 11-20-2008, 03:43 PM

It's all bout sales not category. Support kanye!

TheRealProtege · 11-20-2008, 03:49 PM

kanyes new cd is garbage. but he gun sell like 600 thousand. off his name alone

younggun11 · 11-20-2008, 03:52 PM

Def Jam will buy the most records, its been said and cinfirmed that they use some money to buy huge ammounts of copies...

Kangay will loose thou.

He will hit 350 000-400 000, GNR will hit around 800 000

RickStyles · 11-20-2008, 03:56 PM

GNR will push 1.5 milli; most anticipated album ever; which I need a link to mofuckas

Da Real Deal · 11-20-2008, 04:17 PM

Nah Kanye got this.

ALittleBitCooler · 11-20-2008, 04:21 PM

kanye's album is so fuckin sick he gonna sell more than a million in a week

Ritz · 11-20-2008, 04:29 PM

in my eyes kanyes better because im buyin 808s and not guns an roses

Mr Wavez · 11-20-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G - DuP

808's is hot IMO...Amazing>>>>

Agreed.

cmrcr12 · 11-20-2008, 06:53 PM

he wont sell a mill ever in a week...thats just reality, which doesnt make him on any rappers levels that have.

D_D_D_D_David · 11-21-2008, 03:44 AM

the first three tracks of gnr suck. i don't even wanna listen to the rest.

Nick_Kase · 11-21-2008, 02:43 PM

kanye will sell 3 million copies the first day

11-20-2008, 10:38 AM	#3
Da MD Kid Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 436 Repped: 57 Repped 54 Times in 25 Posts Neg Reps: 1 Neg Repped at 11 Times in 7 Posts	who really cares??? n who really sees those two as being in competition wit each other. lamesss __________________ "tell ya bitch i got da long brown for her if she turn around"

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G - DuP A.K.A - Junaid Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,821 Repped: 180 Repped 156 Times in 58 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	808's is hot IMO...Amazing>>>> __________________

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T.Giddy MuFucken Boss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 4,239 Repped: 950 Repped 852 Times in 209 Posts Neg Reps: 21 Neg Repped at 28 Times in 24 Posts	i ddint like chinese democracy at first.. but its grown on me and i like it. way better than kanye's album. amazin and see you in my nightmares was good but thats it __________________

11-20-2008, 01:16 PM	#6
The Die bruburuburu Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Colombia Posts: 6,557 Repped: 688 Repped 540 Times in 301 Posts Neg Reps: 158 Neg Repped at 154 Times in 126 Posts	watch 'Ye beat up some paparazzis and makin another emo song cuz he aint numba 1 __________________

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TheRealProtege The alias is Protege Join Date: May 2006 Location: ThA WiLd WeSt Posts: 2,026 Repped: 165 Repped 593 Times in 171 Posts Neg Reps: 149 Neg Repped at 86 Times in 74 Posts	kanyes new cd is garbage. but he gun sell like 600 thousand. off his name alone __________________ The new motto is...WHOEVER soundclick.com/protegerebelflag

11-20-2008, 09:54 AM	#1
J-Banks Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 21,015 Repped: 5,294 Repped 53,425 Times in 7,839 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Neg Reps: 53 Neg Repped at 93 Times in 86 Posts	Guns N' Roses Vs. Kanye West: Axl's Got A Secret Weapon In The Race For #1 Guns N' Roses Vs. Kanye West: Axl's Got A Secret Weapon In The Race For #1 Guns N' Roses Vs. Kanye West: Axl's Got A Secret Weapon In The Race For #1 Chinese Democracy's label is making a sly move to beat 808s & Heartbreak in first-week sales. It was shaping up to be an epic battle between two of music's biggest heavyweights, with Kanye West — the Louis Vuitton Don, and the man we crowned the Hottest MC in the Game — standing in one corner, wearing the gold trunks and white Shutter Shades, ready to drop 808s & Heartbreak. And in the other: Axl Rose — sporting the black trunks, a Los Angeles Raiders jersey, red cornrows and a little album called Chinese Democracy. Who will walk away with the championship belt? Chances are, it won't be 'Ye. Fans are excited, critics and industry watchers look on with great anticipation, and even oddsmakers have jumped into the fray, casting Guns N' Roses as the favorite. But, at the 11th hour, GN'R are making things a bit interesting in this race toward Billboard's peak position. That's because Axl's got a secret weapon: the Eighth Day. After years of false starts and broken promises, Geffen Records will finally issue Guns N' Roses' eagerly awaited album this coming Sunday, a day before West's latest hits stores. And a spokesperson for Geffen told MTV News that first-day sales figures for Chinese Democracy will not be reported to Nielsen SoundScan until November 30, the same day West's label will report his week-one sales. Typically, albums are released in the U.S. on Tuesdays, and SoundScan tracks weekly sales data from Monday through Sunday, meaning that most albums' debut spots on the Billboard chart are based on six solid sales days. At first, most assumed day-one sales of Chinese Democracy — which took Rose more than 16 years to complete — would be reported next week and released the morning of November 26. But GN'R's label is holding off on releasing those sales figures until the following week, setting the stage for an extra boost in the chart standings announced on December 3. West's only chance at a third consecutive #1 debut is the fact that Chinese Democracy will be available exclusively at Best Buy's Web site and stores, whereas 808s will be everywhere. This is a different game from last fall, when Kanye and 50 Cent released solo albums on the very same day. After weeks of hype leading up to their showdown, West's Graduation pushed 957,000 copies, easily besting Curtis, which sold 691,000 copies in week one. Before Geffen's plan was known, MTV News reached out to U.K. betting company Ladbrokes and online-gaming purveyors Bodog Entertainment to see which album they favor for a #1 opening. Despite West's immense popularity, the numerous leaks of Chinese Democracy over the years and GN'R's Best Buy deal, oddsmakers from both companies said Guns' LP has the best chance of scoring a chart-topping debut. Bodoglife.com Sportsbook manager Richard Gardner put the odds at -130 in favor of Guns — which is basically the same thing as saying there's a 56 percent chance that Axl will outsell West. Meanwhile, he put the odds at -110 for a Kanye West win, or a 52 percent chance that his album will enter the chart at the peak position. "We would quote 1/3 on Guns N' Roses, and 5/2 on Kanye West," said Nick Weinberg, head of Ladbrokes' novelty betting division. "So we make Guns N' Roses the favorite to top the charts in the week immediately after the release, due to the massive sense of anticipation surrounding the album. A lot of people have been waiting a long time for it." Source: MTV __________________ JBanksblog.com - check it out __________________

11-20-2008, 10:20 AM	#2
kingstyles3764 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: everywhere from the south to the east to the midwest, college is a trip Posts: 344 Repped: 40 Repped 15 Times in 13 Posts Neg Reps: 6 Neg Repped at 3 Times in 3 Posts	i dont really like kanye but i think he might slip away wit it

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platinum_rapper2007 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: appleton, wisconsin Posts: 292 Repped: 131 Repped 12 Times in 6 Posts Neg Reps: 15 Neg Repped at 5 Times in 4 Posts	kanye deserves gettin his azz beat gunz n roses tha shit

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cmrcr12 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jerz/NYC Posts: 422 Repped: 74 Repped 207 Times in 36 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 4 Times in 3 Posts	WOW i seriously forgot about this cd coming out the sam day..theres gonna be alot of people buying that album....if acdc and metalica can push 800,000 1st this can easily do that, people have been waiting on this cd and alot of rock fans suppot their artists by buying it.

11-20-2008, 03:43 PM	#9
D_D_D_D_David Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,154 Repped: 2,028 Repped 18 Times in 15 Posts Neg Reps: 4 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's all bout sales not category. Support kanye!

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younggun11 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: CLV Posts: 658 Repped: 0 Repped 193 Times in 78 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 204 Times in 110 Posts	Def Jam will buy the most records, its been said and cinfirmed that they use some money to buy huge ammounts of copies... Kangay will loose thou. He will hit 350 000-400 000, GNR will hit around 800 000

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RickStyles Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Blackpool Posts: 1,504 Repped: 215 Repped 498 Times in 242 Posts Neg Reps: 55 Neg Repped at 90 Times in 67 Posts	GNR will push 1.5 milli; most anticipated album ever; which I need a link to mofuckas

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Da Real Deal Most Likely To Succeed Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chicago Illinois/Jackson,MS Posts: 4,987 Repped: 892 Repped 2,800 Times in 612 Posts Neg Reps: 178 Neg Repped at 150 Times in 102 Posts	Nah Kanye got this. __________________

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ALittleBitCooler Grown Kid Syndrome Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Saturn Posts: 833 Repped: 70 Repped 376 Times in 135 Posts Neg Reps: 5 Neg Repped at 61 Times in 32 Posts	kanye's album is so fuckin sick he gonna sell more than a million in a week __________________

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Ritz Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 631 Repped: 78 Repped 47 Times in 29 Posts Neg Reps: 39 Neg Repped at 10 Times in 10 Posts	in my eyes kanyes better because im buyin 808s and not guns an roses

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cmrcr12 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jerz/NYC Posts: 422 Repped: 74 Repped 207 Times in 36 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 4 Times in 3 Posts	he wont sell a mill ever in a week...thats just reality, which doesnt make him on any rappers levels that have.

11-21-2008, 03:44 AM	#18
D_D_D_D_David Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,154 Repped: 2,028 Repped 18 Times in 15 Posts Neg Reps: 4 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	the first three tracks of gnr suck. i don't even wanna listen to the rest.

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