02/15/08 - International Fight Continues Over Eminem Song

Queensbridge · 02-15-2008, 03:25 AM

Eminem has battled pneumonia and obesity rumors during the two year hiatus since he's released any new material, and now it appears copyright infringement can be added to the list. Belgian violinist Raymond Vincent claims that Eminem's 2001 single "Cleanin' Out My Closet" either copied or interpolated 160 measures of a song from 1968 entitled "Daydream." Billboard reports that in 2003 Vincent appealed to the Belgian Society of Authors Composers and Publishers (SABAM) to have royalties blocked from the song's composers, Eminem and producer Jeff Bass.

A SABAM judgment in favor of Vincent was overturned by the Brussels Court of Appeals in December of 2007, but due to the initial ruling, some international publishing societies still continue to withhold royalties from both Eminem and Bass. The international royalties from "Cleanin' Out My Closet" could add up to a substantial amount, since the single was released from The Eminem Show, which has certified sales of over 8 million domestically.

Two key issues lie at the heart of the matter. Experts who have analyzed Vincent's work agree that his composition borrows heavily from Russian Classical composer Tchaikovsky. This would make it virtually impossible for Vincient to claim someone sampled from his work, when it is not entirely original either. SABAM is also controlled by the Belgian Ministry of Economics. This legal loophole would allow SABAM to continue to suggest that other international publishing societies withhold Eminem's royalties, despite the case being reversed last year. Both issues could tie up millions of dollars in international royalties, in what is essentially an international case of one artist's word against another's.

"I was in the studio with Jeff and Marshall," says Joel Martin, who handles Eminem's domestic publishing. "It was absurd that they used any portion of an obscure Belgian song [written] before Marshall was born. And if rappers were to use old records, they would use the records. They don't steal a melody."

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Jack Frost · 02-15-2008, 06:56 AM

whyd he only come up with that shit now? it's obvious he just wants money.

Nichino · 02-15-2008, 08:15 AM

lol at belgium

Hip Hop 4 Life · 02-15-2008, 09:54 AM

.. Em hardly EVER uses samples/interpolations ..

HURRICANEGAME · 02-15-2008, 11:15 AM

propz on this

IbeWazir · 02-15-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hip Hop 4 Life

.. Em hardly EVER uses samples/interpolations ..

Actually Em be using a lot of samples

suss3it · 02-15-2008, 05:04 PM

Doe Eminem even give a fuck? The dude mad rich I bet he don't even fucking notice and his lawyers handling that shit.

HawaiianLoyalty · 02-15-2008, 05:26 PM

Em doesn't care about Belgium...

dbone609style · 02-15-2008, 07:43 PM

propsss on this bullshit

Kiddjiss · 02-15-2008, 11:34 PM

..... money makes the world go round

Face.The.Pain · 02-16-2008, 12:02 AM

lool wtf is this

dunson23 · 02-16-2008, 12:32 AM

uhhh i think em is worried due to he does not want this junk annoying him..i mean really why would u this crap floating around basically bugging u everytime

02-15-2008, 03:25 AM	#1
Queensbridge 96 buildings 6 blocks Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 41st Side Posts: 2,313 Repped: 1,211 Repped 4,472 Times in 541 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	02/15/08 - International Fight Continues Over Eminem Song 02/15/08 - International Fight Continues Over Eminem Song Eminem has battled pneumonia and obesity rumors during the two year hiatus since he's released any new material, and now it appears copyright infringement can be added to the list. Belgian violinist Raymond Vincent claims that Eminem's 2001 single "Cleanin' Out My Closet" either copied or interpolated 160 measures of a song from 1968 entitled "Daydream." Billboard reports that in 2003 Vincent appealed to the Belgian Society of Authors Composers and Publishers (SABAM) to have royalties blocked from the song's composers, Eminem and producer Jeff Bass. A SABAM judgment in favor of Vincent was overturned by the Brussels Court of Appeals in December of 2007, but due to the initial ruling, some international publishing societies still continue to withhold royalties from both Eminem and Bass. The international royalties from "Cleanin' Out My Closet" could add up to a substantial amount, since the single was released from The Eminem Show, which has certified sales of over 8 million domestically. Two key issues lie at the heart of the matter. Experts who have analyzed Vincent's work agree that his composition borrows heavily from Russian Classical composer Tchaikovsky. This would make it virtually impossible for Vincient to claim someone sampled from his work, when it is not entirely original either. SABAM is also controlled by the Belgian Ministry of Economics. This legal loophole would allow SABAM to continue to suggest that other international publishing societies withhold Eminem's royalties, despite the case being reversed last year. Both issues could tie up millions of dollars in international royalties, in what is essentially an international case of one artist's word against another's. "I was in the studio with Jeff and Marshall," says Joel Martin, who handles Eminem's domestic publishing. "It was absurd that they used any portion of an obscure Belgian song [written] before Marshall was born. And if rappers were to use old records, they would use the records. They don't steal a melody." source=hiphopdx __________________ Don't Try To Find A Job Son It's All About Robbin

02-15-2008, 06:56 AM	#2
Jack Frost Natural Born Killah Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Philippines Posts: 2,144 Repped: 145 Repped 125 Times in 51 Posts Neg Reps: 3 Neg Repped at 10 Times in 7 Posts	whyd he only come up with that shit now? it's obvious he just wants money. __________________ Shady, Aftermath & G unit all day. fuck the haters!

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HawaiianLoyalty 808 Dahui 808 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kailua' Oahu Posts: 4,521 Repped: 3,094 Repped 277 Times in 113 Posts Neg Reps: 128 Neg Repped at 40 Times in 33 Posts	Em doesn't care about Belgium... __________________

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02-15-2008, 08:15 AM	#3
Nichino Fonky Family Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: RNX Posts: 695 Repped: 192 Repped 12 Times in 3 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	lol at belgium

02-15-2008, 09:54 AM	#4
Hip Hop 4 Life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: None of Your Damn Business Posts: 155 Repped: 23 Repped 0 Times in 0 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	.. Em hardly EVER uses samples/interpolations ..

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HURRICANEGAME THA MUTHA****IN' BOSS Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: TX Posts: 365 Repped: 23 Repped 91 Times in 44 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	propz on this

02-15-2008, 05:04 PM	#7
suss3it Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,032 Repped: 234 Repped 7 Times in 3 Posts Neg Reps: 5 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Doe Eminem even give a fuck? The dude mad rich I bet he don't even fucking notice and his lawyers handling that shit.

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dbone609style EnEff Squad Up Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ACity/EnEff 609 Posts: 1,383 Repped: 267 Repped 74 Times in 54 Posts Neg Reps: 113 Neg Repped at 30 Times in 25 Posts	propsss on this bullshit

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Kiddjiss Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Q_city Posts: 2,926 Repped: 435 Repped 2,665 Times in 293 Posts Neg Reps: 0 Neg Repped at 0 Times in 0 Posts	..... money makes the world go round

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Face.The.Pain Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: . Posts: 2,678 Repped: 1,161 Repped 895 Times in 96 Posts Neg Reps: 82 Neg Repped at 36 Times in 27 Posts	lool wtf is this

02-16-2008, 12:32 AM	#12
dunson23 Hip-Hop We Won't Stop Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hip-Hop Posts: 3,200 Repped: 741 Repped 1,144 Times in 168 Posts Neg Reps: 23 Neg Repped at 12 Times in 11 Posts	uhhh i think em is worried due to he does not want this junk annoying him..i mean really why would u this crap floating around basically bugging u everytime