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The Streets Is Talking: News & Notes From The Underground

OK, rappers: The VMAs have been over for weeks, but let's not forget to leave the physical altercations to the rockers like Kid Rock and Tommy Lee.


A couple of weeks ago, the long-brewing (as in years-in-the-making) Mobb Deep and Saigon tension spilled off of Internet interviews and street DVDs onto the stage. They performed at the same show at New York club S.O.B.'s, and as quickly as it looked like things would remain calm, they got to scrappin'.

There's YouTube footage of the incident floating around and it looked like chaotic tomfoolery. The Mobb was first to respond to the incident by releasing footage of the fight, followed by Sai's blog postings on his MySpace page, like the entry "I Finally Got Prodigy... ." Sai went on to say, "I know you all are seeing this YouTube video of like 25 Mobb Deep n---as chasing me out the club. ... And hell f---ing yeah I dipped up out of there untouched. ... But that was after I snuffed little punk ass Prodigy."

Sai has since said he's not talking about the incident anymore, but Prodigy and Havoc spoke to us directly to get their side of the altercation out there.

"We went to Hav's show, you know how we do, we the Mobb," Prodigy said. "We was going to show love and celebrate. It was all love. Then we hear [DJ] Premier on the mic saying, 'We got a special guest performance tonight: Saigon.' We all looking at each other like, 'Saigon? What is he doing here? Special guest performance? OK, let's get up onstage.' Basically, Hav showed him love. Saigon was like, 'Oh, it's all love.' I was glad that happened. But certain people around us was like, He's poppin' sh--. We f---ing him up.' And that's what happened. He caught lumps."

The footage shows what happened to Sai, and you could clearly see him hitting Prodigy in the face.

"For people to say, 'He snuffed P,' first of all, that's what happens in a fight," Prodigy said. "People get hit. I been hit plenty of times in my face in a fight. I done got people's teeth lodged in my knuckles and all that. That's what happens. At the end of the day, he got chased out the building.


"He saw an opportunity where he could hit me and he hit me," Prodigy added. "He was smart for doing that. But right after that, he got lumped some more. He's getting chased out the club [riding] on his man's back. N---as was telling him, 'Drop your jewelry and we'll stop chasing you.' [Sai says that never happened.] He dropped his watch then hopped in the car and left. We picked up his watch and threw it away 'cause it was fake. Me and Hav ain't even do none of this. When all of that was going on, we did a Mobb Deep performance. We did seven songs and bounced. [Saigon] got a little lucky punch, but dude hits like a girl. It's nothing. His man knocked me down 'cause he punched me in my shoulder. I jumped right back up from that."

"How do you jump on another man's back?" Havoc chimed in with a chuckle. "How do you do that? He jumped on another man's back [to flee the club]. He started with us from the beginning. He's a wack new rapper who will never be a legend. Mobb Deep are legends. If you think I'm wrong, say I'm wrong, but I got mad gold and platinum plaques."

Nobody applauds beef that spills off of wax. Luckily, the Mobb are saying they don't expect any serious violence to occur in the wake of this.

"That's what happens in rap music," Prodigy said. "Ain't nobody trying to kill nobody or nothing like that. Nobody is trying to do that. It's lumps. It's reasons behind everything. We ain't just reckless out here. Mobb Deep is way smarter than that. How you think we survived in the streets for so long? We ain't out here just recklessly wilding."

And in other beef, right before the show at S.O.B.'s, Havoc gave an interview disrespecting Kanye West, a man who has produced for the Mobb in the past.

"Hip-hop is in the state it's in," Hav tried to explain. "I'm just trying to make it a little more interesting. Of course I like Kanye. He knows I don't hate him. I met him, I like him, he's a good dude. It's just like being in the game with Michael Jordan. I love him to death, but I gotta foul him. Give him a quick elbow."

"It's the competition," Prodigy added. "From day one, we told everybody, 'We out to beat you.' We don't hate him. We did music with Kanye." ...

Maino, Saigon, Tru Life, French and Gutta on the set of "Come on Baby" video
Why is Saigon not talking about the Mobb? He wants to put the focus back on his music. The Greatest Story Never Told might come out this year. He just finished the video for "Come on Baby." It was shot last week in New York.

"We end up in a rock club," he told us of the plot. "We go somewhere to perform — me, Just [Blaze] and Swizz Beatz. "We go thinking it's a hip-hop spot, but it's a rock-and-roll spot. We go and see some rockers on the stage, and we kick them off the stage and rock the house." ...

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ya_boy_six

I hella thought them niggas was just 2 deep lol I was wrong

GMNRecordsCT3

uh huh.........

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Top Gunna

yeahhhhh proppz

boywonder310

Rap beef is corny!!!!!

Stay Fly

fuck saigon , he is a lil bitch and prodigy should have kicked his ass from the first time ....what a bitch saigon is for running.....wtf is that? if you hit and rund your a bitch ....mobb deep are legends....from murda muzik to blood money........

zadani

mobb deep is a big joke ...

you got gold albums, because NAS helpd ur asses,, but u guys suck now .. so does saigon...


NAS even gave 50 cent the idea of G-unit spining chain during his God's son tour.

NAS is LEGEND ...fukkk mobb deep

CreativeMind

Prodigy can't kick nobody's ass. What makes you think he can? For the record, to hate on Saigon the way you do, because there was a scuffle with your favorite rappers makes you dumb. In fact, nobody should be taking anyone's side and it shouldn't be this serious to you, because it ain't your beef or problem. It just makes you internet tough talkers (let's be real that's what this board is) look silly.

Anyway, it's only fair to put up Saigon's version of what happened. It's always two sides to every story. So here is his.

Saigon on what happened.

What exactly happened between you and Mobb Deep last week?

I don’t know, man. I really, really, really can’t call it. One thing I know is that somebody tried to grab me from behind and somebody was trying to back me down. I know they were 25 or 30 deep in there, but I was like, ‘If it’s on and popping, it’s on and popping. We’re going to get down.’ I saw Prodigy and I made him pay for telling me to suck his dick and for saying, “Fuck Jesus and fuck God.” Jesus asked me to handle his business.

Yo, this has to be the most disrespectful guy in the history of the world. He doesn’t have any respect for anybody in the world and that shit is unfortunate and it’s bad because a lot of bad things are going to continue to happen to you when you say things that he says. Whether you believe in God or not, you don’t continue to disrespect something that a lot of people have faith in.

The thing about this is that I’m not a bully. Those dudes were deep. I wasn’t supposed to get out of there. They were supposed to kill me up there. There were 30 of them and three people with me. If I can get away without anybody touching me, I am and I did. And one thing I’m not going to do is go and edit a video and make it seem like I did something to these dudes when I really didn’t. I would just say, “These dudes came up in my party and one of them punched me in the face and none of us touched him. I have problems on my team and I need some new goons, man.” That’s what Prodigy should say. I had problems with Prodigy. All of them other niggas were fronting like wanted to get it on. I don’t even know them and they don’t have any real problems with me. They want to ride for Prodigy but he’s not a rider. He’s not going to ride for them and he’s not going to bleed for them. You’re hanging out with him for what? So he can get you into the club and you can go to the club with him? I don’t know none of these niggas that are talking dirty on camera. That man told me to suck his dick. I don’t respect him. He doesn’t have any respect for anybody.

You knew Prodigy had problems with you. Were you looking for trouble that night?

No, I didn’t go in there looking for trouble. I didn’t go in there looking for trouble at all, man. I knew the potential for trouble was there, but I was like, ‘Whatever, man. I’m going to play it by ear. In the worst case scenario, we get it on.’ Luckily I was able to get out of there unharmed because I wasn’t supposed to get out of there. Especially after what I did, I didn’t think I was going to get out of there. They act like they chased me but I decided it was time to go and we left. People were throwing bottles and being unruly so we decided to take off. They didn’t decide to chase me until after I decided to leave. Please post the real video. A lot of these websites show their fake version.

At any time did you feel like your life was in danger?

Nah, I didn’t feel like that. I thought it was all love. Havoc kind of rocked me to sleep. He let me think it was all peaceful. I know I’ve never had a problem with Havoc. I had a problem with Prodigy and I knew he was there, but if niggas act like there isn’t a problem, I’m not going to act like there’s a problem. I’m not going to be the one forcing the issue. But if you notice, the first thing I did when dude grabbed me was I put my back against the wall. They weren’t going to get me from behind. If they were going to get me, I was going to see it coming.

They got a fake edited video and they’re putting up flyers around the city like they chased me out of there. What the fuck am I going to wait around for? If I’m in a shootout and I shoot somebody, I’m not going to wait around to get shot. I got my shots off. I’m not going to wait around after I finish shooting.

You said Havoc rocked you to sleep. Do you feel Havoc set you up?

It’s either that or he can’t control the people he’s with. One second you’re telling me that there’s no problems and it’s all love. Then that’s what it’s supposed to be. If I tell you that it’s all love, then nobody in my crew is going to do anything to you. They have to respect that. Either he don’t have any control over his goons or he was rocking me to sleep like it was all love. Prince, the dude with the camouflage shirt, is Havoc’s cousin and I know him. I used to rock with him. I was thinking that everything was going to be smooth ‘cause he was there.

How is the video that’s been circulating different from the real encounter?

There’s a real encounter of the video. It wasn’t me, but somebody put up a video up of what really happened. There’s some clown dude E Boogs who made a video saying the Mobb is like the mafia. The shit is so corny. I feel so embarrassed that I even have to do what I’m doing to entertain these dudes because they keep on pressing the issue. They were the first ones to put out the video. I didn’t put out any video because I didn’t have a camera with me. There is a video saying “Saigon’s Version.” I never made a version of anything. I had a couple dudes onstage with me. Their video says “Havoc’s album is in stores” and then they start lying. They’re putting up flyers in the ‘hood about some beef shit. Why don’t they just go to the hip-hop police station and say, “Hey, we’re beefing with Saigon. Pay attention”?

What’s your next move in this situation?

You know what? I wasn’t even thinking about it. I had been over it. That’s why I went in the club like that. I wasn’t scared of anything. I went in there knowing that we had a history but I wasn’t actively pursuing it like it was beef. These dudes came at me with the bullshit. They came at me. I was like, ‘Okay, now that the beef is back brewing, I’m going to get you back for telling me to suck your dick.’ And people are saying that I sucker-punched him. He was walking directly towards me looking me dead in my face when I punched him. How is that a sucker-punch? A sucker-punch is when the other person can’t see it coming. If your people just attacked me and you’re walking towards me, you’re supposed to be ready to pop off. You’re supposed to be ready for combat. I sucker-punched him? He was looking me dead in the face. And I was hiding under a table and all this bullshit about how they got a watch that I’ve never seen before…What kind of real dude would sit down and try to doctor a video to tell a story about something that didn’t happen at all?

To make it clear, you weren’t hiding under a table?

Come on. Hell No, I wasn’t hiding under no damn table. That’s corny. I didn’t have no watch on. They’re talking about me hiding under the tables. The only thing I did was I got behind my homie. That’s what he does. He’s there to make sure that nothing happens to me. He’s there to make sure we get in and we get out smoothly. That’s what he gets paid for.

That was nothing. The only thing I didn’t respect was the corny, fake video editing. To me, that’s clownery, man. That makes me put up stupid-ass blogs and stupid-ass pictures of me punching him in the face. They forced me to do that. They tried to assassinate my character like I’m some dude that you can just chase out of the club. That’s how they tried to present it to the world and that wasn’t the case at all. The case was that I showed more heart than anybody. I was outnumbered and I still punched their main nigga. More than likely, I was supposed to get stomped to death. If they were real, they would have went after the big man in front of me too. They were scared because the homie is big. That’s pussy to me. They should have gotten both of us. There was only three of us. These niggas were all standing back throwing bottles. Get out of here.

I knew once I said, “Shout out to Jay-Z” and everybody started booing, I knew it was a Mobb Deep thing. That’s when I was like, ‘Who’s booing?’ And the fake fat nigga who lied by saying he punched me in the face, he was booing until I looked at him and said, “Who’s booing?” and then he started cheering.

I don’t care what happens next. I’m not about no beef shit. That shit is so behind me. Especially with some hip-hop bullshit that’s about nothing. This shit can get ugly. At the same time, those niggas attacked me. I’m always going to defend myself, regardless. I’m a different breed of motherfucker, man. I don’t listen to what these little internet cowards be talking about. It’s one thing when you can talk about it on the internet like, ‘Why’d you run?’ What was my other option? To get stomped out? “Wait for them to get you.” That’s what they wanted me to do. If you equate it to a shootout, they wanted me to wait there and get shot. If you’re in a shootout and you hit what you’re supposed to hit, do you stand there or do you keep it moving? A real motherfucker and somebody that’s really from the street understands that I did the smartest thing that there is to do. Ain’t no real nigga going to tell you to stand there and wait. What am I sticking around for? How do you know one of those niggas isn’t running to go and get a pistol outside when I only have three people and no pistol? After I rocked P, they could have been running to their car to get their hammers. You’re not going to trap me in a club. Come on. Let’s get serious here.

And homie needs to learn some respect. Not for me, per se, but just period. You can’t go around disrespecting people and just expect nothing to happen to you. This dude said, “Fuck Jesus and fuck God.” He’s bugging out. He’s bugging, man. I’m not even a religious person and I won’t say that shit.

The show that night was a CNN show and that got canceled because of the fight. Have you spoken to N.O.R.E. since the episode?

No. I don’t know N.O.R.E. like that. I know him and Tru are cool.

Stay Fly

your a stupid mothafukka , this has nothin to do with nas....wtf , are you a nas dickrdydeer???? if you think that nas is a legend then sure mobb deep is too ...nas is a legend...but so is mobb deep...come on.....nas didnt give 50 cent shit....smoking crack is unhealthy....stop it.....

TeamChronic

kanye SUCK A DICK QUEER

Stay Fly

[QUOTE=CreativeMind;2652389]Prodigy can't kick nobody's ass. What makes you think he can? For the record, to hate on Saigon the way you do, because there was a scuffle with your favorite rappers makes you dumb. In fact, nobody should be taking anyone's side and it shouldn't be this serious to you, because it ain't your beef or problem. It just makes you internet tough talkers (let's be real that's what this board is) look silly.

lets be real here girl , what makes you think that p cant kick this nigga saigons ass? for the record too...i saw the video....saigon is a bitch for running...thats it......mobb deep aint my favorite rapper......but they kill saigons ass ....lets be real....i aint hatin on saigon at all...but where im from....u dont hit and run...its real bitch ass nigga shit....lets get real here girl....this facts are true and you know this.....

Twace Klasik SBF

chasing somebody outta a building when your like 30 deep gets you no browny points , mobb deep is juss corny n puszy

thass why my man tru life robbd dudes n nobodi from l.e.s got snatched up in retaliation
soft ass niguz tattooing gunit in they skin

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jade_18

props on the info

CreativeMind

[QUOTE=hoesaintshit;2652412]
Since when did Prodigy kick anybody's ass? If he's all that he say he is, then he would've got all the people who beat on him in the past. How come he didn't kick Keith Murry's ass? Keith busted him bad, he didn't do nothing. Dude is not built for that kind of thing period. Secondly, there's two versions of the video footage. One is obviously edited on Mobb Deep's part. They went to the net first with their edited version of what happened (to make Saigon look a certain way). Then there's another set of the video footage that shows what really happened (as in the truth).

Lastly, Saigon did not just hit Prodigy and run. Why do everybody keep saying that? He was clearly still on stage afterwards, until everybody started throwing bottles and what not. As far as him running, it's called being smart, not bitch made. You're not going to stand around and wait to get jacked up by a crew deep. You will not win that and you're as good as dead. He also admitted to getting his (getting the main dude who he wanted to get) and getting low. He's more of a man to me for that.

Any street person, who has common sense, knows he did the right thing. So, all that he's a bitch for running and take your ass whooping like a man, is pure bull. You're only lying to yourself if you stand there and say, I'm going to fight a crew deep, when I'm outnumbered. I've been in these situations before myself. So I'm no fool.

Bottom line is this. You're going off of hype and youtube, not facts. I know what really happened (sans the cameras), because my sis was there (her drink was knocked over in the process), and she knows some of their people. So it did not go down the way Prodigy and Mobb Deep are presenting it. Am I taking either of their sides, hell no, they're all gorwn men who should know better. I'm just saying what's correct. Saigon's account is way more truthful. I'm not saying that to get behind him (I don't have to, his record speaks for itself, so you calling Sai a bitch means nothing), it's just the truth. Aside from this being two weeks old, I laugh about it myself. It's really not that serious. It's funny watching you guys take it so serious. I hate writing essays on corny beef, but I hate people who talk stupid even worse.

Ain't nobody going to see you in IC U talking about, Oh, he has brain damage now, but at least he went out like a real n*gga. LOL, you kids ain't learned nothing yet.

Stay Fly

[QUOTE=CreativeMind;2652589]ok ok ok , everybody got a side on this story....you have yours...i aint gonna front on that....but lets talk music honey.......who is the best? tell me....well it aint saigon for sure....i dont care even if saigon goes 11 mill on his first album...he still aint better then mobb deep...he wont be ether.....for sure.....for the record im 23 years old and im fine thank you.

smc

people up here talkin bout tru life shit keith murray shit man please..
yall dont know nothin bout that
keith murray crew got stomped the fuck out that day at the tunnel..
money no knockd keiths right hand man serious the fuck out..
tru life incident shit man niggas ran up on infamous mobb im3 when P and Hav wasnt even in there... you wanna act hero when you got a fuckin uzi to your head fuckouttahere...plus none of you guys or girls knows nothin bout the retaliation or repurcussions or payback after that shit
dont know how they squashed it or why..
stop talkin bout shit you dont know
and for this saigon shit we all saw what happend bottom line the nigga ran
aint nothin more to the story... he hits P then he should have the balls to pay fot that or he shouldnt have done that at all... hell I can run up on Lennox Lewis hit him and run is taht gangsta?
naw you start shit you finish shit
and far as the music ...... saigon made some cool songs but he will NEVER EVER have 4 classic albums and the impact mobb deep had on rap music.... infamous . hell on earth, murda muzik, HNIC, return of the mac, Infamy, more mroe more
man get for real Mobb deep are legends end of the fuckin story

CreativeMind

[QUOTE=hoesaintshit;2652656]None of these negros are the best at anything. Mobb Deep is a good group, but I aint rating them above and beyond anything. It's not even fair to compare them to the likes of Saigon, because he's just starting.

Stay Fly

[QUOTE=CreativeMind;2652791]YEAH , like you say...HE IS JUST STARTING.....so he should respect mobb deep who has been doing since 90....you dont outshine your master....saigon is a idiot for even talking shit about the mobb deep...... and his career is now BEGINNING...like you said.....show respect too your masters......first law of that book is never to outshine your master......mobb still is better and saigon is a pussy for running out of the club...period.....

RespectMe

I'd run to, if I was outnumbered and being hounded by a crew of 20-30 deep. Any one of you is a fool, to sit there and say you're going to sit there and fight that. You won't because you won't win it. Better yet, you could end up dead. What he did was smart, not biich made. He even admitted himself to getting low and getting outta there. So I don't see why you guys harp on the fact that he got outta dodge.

Again, you're not going to play super hero calling yourself fighting a group of people. If anything, Mobb Deep are the punks for editing video footage, and trying to make a situation look like something it's not. I'm not taking up for either side, but common sense is common sense. There are clearly holes in Mobb Deep's version of the events. I heard Saigon discuss this in detail last week. What he says is much more believable.

S-T-N

it's g-unit allday, everyday, but fuck mobb deep!

CreativeMind

[QUOTE=hoesaintshit;2652808]Respect them for what? I don't know why everybody thinks these rappers are suppose to be one big happy family, getting along, singing Kumb By Ya. That's never going to happen.

Corretion, smart, not pussy. There's that stupid talk again. One more time, stop fronting like you're going to fight a crew deep. You're not going to do that, stop believing the BS that you type. Anybody with half a brain knows, you get the hell out of dodge when somebdoy is that deep and you're out numbered. It's called the smart thing to do.

zideeq

saigon aint pussy! who the fuck saying that, you stupid?

If i was surrounded by 30 men I wouldn't even swing, I'd head out straight,

saigon hit the main MAN!!!!

dats crazy!!

mobb deep didnt do shit, they all pussy,

30 against 3 and who won LOL.

districtx202x

real talk lol i no i wouldnt b fightin 30 niggas by myself
dats jus plain stupid
but im still a mobb deep fan(fuck g-unit)
mobb deep put out some classic albums(the infamous and hell on earth)

FoShizzlE

30 deep????? they was bout 7-8 dudes....

CreativeMind

They weren't all on stage (ummm duh). They aren't rappers, so why would they be up there? They were out in the crowd of the building. When things blew up, they started swarming and throwing bottles.